Wireless Nation Hotwire Service aka last mile VDSL

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#116264 23-Apr-2013 16:27

http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/wireless-nation-simplifies-ufb-roll-out-apartment-buildings/5/153481

This is interesting. Not sure how I'd feel as a tenant being told I can't get UFB all the way to the apartment though.

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#804428 23-Apr-2013 17:31

Can someone explain to me why you would need VDSL? Surely in most apartments the run from the comms room to the apartment would not be more than 100m, which means you could just use copper ethernet.

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#804431 23-Apr-2013 17:37

There probably is not cat5 cabling from the coms room, only 2 pair for two phone lines, they can put in fibre to the comms room and a dslam. You then get beeter speed than ADSL as long as it is not too saturated. They may need to bring in more than one fibre connection.
telstra Clear has been doing this for years but they put the DSLAM in a pit to feed several clients off one fibre connection.

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#804437 23-Apr-2013 17:46

I thought this wasn't allowed by CFH rules?

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#804452 23-Apr-2013 18:08

Zeon: I thought this wasn't allowed by CFH rules?

The apartment-dwellers won't be buying a UFB service. They'll be buying internet service from Wireless Nation, who will in turn buy one UFB circuit to the building, and attach that to the (wireless nation) VDSL DSLAM. I don't think CFH/etc can stop you buying a business UFB connection to attach bits of ISP to each other.

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#804453 23-Apr-2013 18:11

Sounds like a very practical way to solve a common problem, rather than rewiring the building.

However, I know people with less than favourable opinions about Wireless Nation and the paucity of support. Getting hold of anyone is really, really difficult so I hope they lift their game, or there are going to be a lot of disappointed tenants in those buildings.

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#804466 23-Apr-2013 18:44

Zeon: I thought this wasn't allowed by CFH rules?

I beleive you are correct. It is something that was raised very early on as a solution to mdus but I'm almost 100% sure it was disallowed because it would utterly destroy the economics because of the way the wholesale pricing has been setup.
(If it wasn't, literally every ISP would do this since they would save sooooo much money by only having to buy 1 ufb circuit to light up the entire building)

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#804474 23-Apr-2013 18:54

I wonder how they would control contention and speeds and bandwidth? Not sure how many tenants in an apartment building but lets say 20-50, split even a 100/100 circuit up that many times with consumer type requirements I could imagine some fairly slow speeds.

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#804475 23-Apr-2013 18:56

NonprayingMantis:
Zeon: I thought this wasn't allowed by CFH rules?

I beleive you are correct. It is something that was raised very early on as a solution to mdus but I'm almost 100% sure it was disallowed because it would utterly destroy the economics because of the way the wholesale pricing has been setup.
(If it wasn't, literally every ISP would do this since they would save sooooo much money by only having to buy 1 ufb circuit to light up the entire building)

They'd also have to send vans out to each apartment building, negotiate with the owners, put gear in, all to serve a few customers? Makes sense if you're a small ISP and will be the only ISP available in said building. Not so much if you're big.

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#804490 23-Apr-2013 19:26

This has nothing to do with UFB. To market it as such is purely misleading. It's also nothing new - I know that because I'm already involved in deploying solutions such as this.

CFH rules require fibre to every apartment for UFB - this is in part so future services such as RF over fibre can be introduced. This is not (and won't be unless CFH make some major changes to their requirements) the ability to use copper within a building for UFB.

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#804583 23-Apr-2013 22:05

Very misleading article. This is not UFB. And I wonder what sort of speed the end user is provisioned. The contention would be ridiculous if they just installed one UFB connection to serve 20 apartments with 50Mb VDSL tails. Potentially even VDSL on higher rate profiles so the end user could even get 100Mb from their VDSL tail. That is going to suck when in funnels in to a 100Mb UFB connection. And if they are going to use VDSL 'media converters' and install a set for every single UFB connection the install cost would be stupid per install. Those converters are around $300 per end!

3M have quite a neat fibre system designed specifically for retrofitting fibre for FTTH deployments. It's called 3M One pass fibre. This is what (or a similar product) needs installing throughout apartment buildings.

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#804734 24-Apr-2013 09:37

I thought that it was illegal to install anything in a lift riser except services associated with the lift. Looks like the article was a bit misleading.

chevrolux: That is going to suck when in funnels in to a 100Mb UFB connection.

UFB provides speeds up to 10Gbps or dark fibre, so they probably aren't using an 100Mbps end user circuit for the whole building.

This method is not really different to establishing a cell phone site on the building and providing everyone with 4G access.

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#804747 24-Apr-2013 10:05

I have seen a 10mbit Citylink connection split between apartments. The apartments have Cat 5 wiring to the ISP network switch.

It did slow down in the evening but only to about 2mbit/s at worst which was still high enough for my tenant to gobble up their data cap in no time.

Remember that not everyone is a heavy user. The solution described is probably great for 90% of users today.

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#805362 25-Apr-2013 10:58

I had looked at doing this in Napier for a few apartment buildings we have here.
Then chorus decided to wire up each apartment directly to UFB and placed the apartment buildings in their own sector on the build out map.

They are laying the cables in the streets around the buildings, then ~6 months later coming back to include the apartment building properties.

Would laugh if WN goes and installs their VDSL service then chorus decides to do the same.

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