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Topic # 126791 19-Jul-2013 21:18
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I read on premierleaguepass.com knowing that a 3mbps connection speed will be good enough to watch on 3000kbps quality, which is not too bad. Assume that we need a 10mbps connection to watch on good quality video or further to 30 mbps, i wonder the reason for people who signed up for 100mbps connection.
Can anyone share?

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  Reply # 862388 19-Jul-2013 21:29
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The football streaming should work fine on a decent 10M ADSL connection.

The choice for 30 or 100 (or 50, at Full Flavour all our 30/10 plans become 50/20 in a few days) really depends on how quick you want to download things.

For the residential user, 30 is fine and is a big jump from what most people are used to.

Faster peak speeds do come in handy when you've got multiple things going on at the same time (Dad watching streaming football, Mum skyping her sister, Son p2p'ing Linux isos, Daughter on YouTube).




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  Reply # 862487 20-Jul-2013 09:43
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I agree with you regarding on how fast we need files to be downloaded.
But while ISP advertise for UFB plan, they always mentioned about HD video streaming. That's why i wonder do we really need 100mbps for streaming online.

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  Reply # 862489 20-Jul-2013 09:49
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The answer to that question then, is right now, no.

Found this via Google:

http://www.ctrl-shift.net/today/2011/05/how-much-bandwidth-do-i-need/

Indicates less than 10Mbps for streaming HD, which sounds right.

In the future this will likely change with Ultra HD requiring significantly more bandwidth, especially if others are using the connection at the same time.



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  Reply # 862491 20-Jul-2013 10:07
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it will not be realistic in NZ as we will always get data cap

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  Reply # 862508 20-Jul-2013 10:39
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fyscdaniel: it will not be realistic in NZ as we will always get data cap


you mean apart from the ISPs that have unlimited data plans right now?

like Slingshot, Orcon, Flip, Fullflavourmedia, Maxnet.  I think there are some more.

Plus the rest that have caps 500GB or more which is waaaaaaay more than 99% of people would use, even with 100Mbps UFB



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  Reply # 862509 20-Jul-2013 10:41
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NonprayingMantis:
fyscdaniel: it will not be realistic in NZ as we will always get data cap


you mean apart from the ISPs that have unlimited data plans right now?

like Slingshot, Orcon, Flip, Fullflavourmedia, Maxnet.  I think there are some more.


but they still have "fair use policy" in placed

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  Reply # 862517 20-Jul-2013 11:48
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fyscdaniel: it will not be realistic in NZ as we will always get data cap


Can you explain why you made this statement? What your point was?

In your original post, your question was:

fyscdaniel: i wonder the reason for people who signed up for 100mbps connection.
Can anyone share?


We've given you some reasons.


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  Reply # 862518 20-Jul-2013 11:51
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fyscdaniel: but they still have "fair use policy" in placed


What's your point?



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  Reply # 862546 20-Jul-2013 12:51
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My original question was why do people need 100mbps speed for video steaming other than faster download speed.
And got suggestion that there might be a few people who steaming on HD at the same time. Then my concern is it will not be realistic for a household to have few people streaming on HD video at same time as in NZ our ISPs usually have data cap. They will gone over the data cap easily if they do so.
So the other friend showed that there are ISPs which do unlimited data or uncapped date, but i realized that there is always "fair use policy" behind all those unlimited plan.
Have tried a 3000kbps video for an hour, it costs me 1.4GB. Assume a better quality video which required 10mbps connection will cost 3GB an hour, and 4 users do it at same time mean 12GB per hour. The suggested 500GB plan is also not good enough for a month

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  Reply # 862567 20-Jul-2013 13:18
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fyscdaniel: My original question was why do people need 100mbps speed for video steaming other than faster download speed.

And got suggestion that there might be a few people who steaming on HD at the same time. Then my concern is it will not be realistic for a household to have few people streaming on HD video at same time as in NZ our ISPs usually have data cap. They will gone over the data cap easily if they do so.

So the other friend showed that there are ISPs which do unlimited data or uncapped date, but i realized that there is always "fair use policy" behind all those unlimited plan.

Have tried a 3000kbps video for an hour, it costs me 1.4GB. Assume a better quality video which required 10mbps connection will cost 3GB an hour, and 4 users do it at same time mean 12GB per hour. The suggested 500GB plan is also not good enough for a month

Netflix e highest bitrate is less than 5mbps, and really how often are you going it have 4 people concurrently streaming all in super hd? Not all that much.

250 is more than e ought o cope wi most people's video streaming needs, and 500 is plenty.

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  Reply # 862568 20-Jul-2013 13:18
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fyscdaniel: My original question was why do people need 100mbps speed for video steaming other than faster download speed.

And got suggestion that there might be a few people who steaming on HD at the same time. Then my concern is it will not be realistic for a household to have few people streaming on HD video at same time as in NZ our ISPs usually have data cap. They will gone over the data cap easily if they do so.

So the other friend showed that there are ISPs which do unlimited data or uncapped date, but i realized that there is always "fair use policy" behind all those unlimited plan.

Have tried a 3000kbps video for an hour, it costs me 1.4GB. Assume a better quality video which required 10mbps connection will cost 3GB an hour, and 4 users do it at same time mean 12GB per hour. The suggested 500GB plan is also not good enough for a month

Netflix e highest bitrate is less than 5mbps, and really how often are you going it have 4 people concurrently streaming all in super hd? Not all that much.

250 is more than e ought o cope wi most people's video streaming needs, and 500 is plenty.



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  Reply # 862573 20-Jul-2013 13:31
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So it answers the question, we do not need 100mbps connection for video streaming.

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  Reply # 862581 20-Jul-2013 13:49
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fyscdaniel: So it answers the question, we do not need 100mbps connection for video streaming.


Who ever said people did?


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  Reply # 862624 20-Jul-2013 15:30
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fyscdaniel: My original question was why do people need 100mbps speed for video steaming other than faster download speed.
And got suggestion that there might be a few people who steaming on HD at the same time. Then my concern is it will not be realistic for a household to have few people streaming on HD video at same time as in NZ our ISPs usually have data cap. They will gone over the data cap easily if they do so.
So the other friend showed that there are ISPs which do unlimited data or uncapped date, but i realized that there is always "fair use policy" behind all those unlimited plan.
Have tried a 3000kbps video for an hour, it costs me 1.4GB. Assume a better quality video which required 10mbps connection will cost 3GB an hour, and 4 users do it at same time mean 12GB per hour. The suggested 500GB plan is also not good enough for a month

They obviously don't need 100Mbps for video streaming. They don't need it for most things that a household would currently be doing. But if you have something you can't do that you would like to, then it starts getting useful. What if you have data backups from work that you want to upload, along with 20 video surveillance cameras that you sometimes monitor in realtime — all domestic traffic that could be unmetered if you join the right ISP? Or what about video conferencing with overseas clients/employers — only short durations but has to work perfectly when you need it?

If you have such applications then you can buy a suitable plan with a suitable data cap. Just decide how much you want to spend and what you need to do with it. Then find a plan that works for you. The real enabling thing for UFB is that you can now launch NZ based data services and expect that NZers have a chance of getting value out of them. Try it.




Qualified in business, certified in fibre, stuck in copper, have to keep going  ^_^

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  Reply # 862699 20-Jul-2013 19:01
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fyscdaniel: So it answers the question, we do not need 100mbps connection for video streaming.


Correct - it is not required for streaming a single video stream - I don't recall anyone ever saying it was. DSL or 30Mbps Fibre is more than adequate.

However on DSL the best we could do was one HD stream + one SD stream - any more activity (e.g. someone trying to download a file to their PC) would lead to buffering issues. Now we've switched to 100Mbps Fibre, we have yet to hit any practical limit even with 5 concurrent devices all streaming video.

The other major reason for paying for 100Mbps is that my time is valuable to me - when I want to download that 4GB game using Steam, it only takes 5min instead of 50. Page load times are *much* faster. Data caps don't seem to be an issue for us - sure we could technically blow it out in <10hours, but in practice it means we get the content we want faster, then the connection sits idle.

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