How do Chorus decide where to roll out fibre?

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#202036 14-Sep-2016 16:00

Fibre is not available at my house until Dec 2019, the other side of my street has it already(I'm in Torbay, Auckland).

Just curious as to why they would do this and how they decide who gets fibre first?

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#1630348 14-Sep-2016 16:03

Fibre deployments are a combination of the Chorus or the LFC and CFH. Chorus or the LFC's by themselves don't decide everything.

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#1630351 14-Sep-2016 16:06

Ahh ok, just seems strange they would do one side of the street and not the other, it says on Chorus site, that it is done by cabinet, so you may have to wait a bit longer than your neighbour to get it, which I understand, but the other side of the street have had it a few months already, so a bit longer in this case is 3 1/2 years lol

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#1630588 15-Sep-2016 01:03

someone has to be first and someone has to be last.

the other street is probably one a different cabinet so hence their one got done and your one hasnt.

a bit longer could be 3 weeks or many many years, there is no context.

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#1630646 15-Sep-2016 08:57

500m either direction of my house has fiber - I cant get it until 2018 or something. So I feel your pain ;)

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#1630647 15-Sep-2016 09:02

It did say at one stage it was supposed to be 2017, but then changed to Dec 2019, curious as to why it changed, anyway will have to survive on my VDSL for now :)

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#1630649 15-Sep-2016 09:02

And then you get cases like my street. UFB has been available here since early 2013. Our neighbours don't even have a computer so fast internet is wasted on them.

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#1630653 15-Sep-2016 09:08

Yeah my brother in law who lives on the other side of the street to us, has fibre and he is so computer illiterate, every time I see him he says "oh we have this fibre stuff that makes the internet go really fast" to wind me up!!

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#1630666 15-Sep-2016 09:20

As @sbiddle mentioned, the boundaries for UFB coverage relate to areas have been agreed in contracts between CFH and its partners (Northpower for Whangarei, Chrous for most places in NZ, UltraFast Fibre (WEL Networks Ltd) for Tauranga/Hamilton/New Plymouth, and Enable for Christchurch). They are generally closely aligned to the areas defined as “urban” by local territorial authorities.

Northpower Limited (Northpower): 1.6% of UFB total coverage comprising Whangarei, the LFC Northpower Fibre has been created;

Waikato Networks Limited (WNL), owned by WEL Networks Limited and Waipa Networks Limited: 13.7% of UFB total coverage comprising Hamilton (including Cambridge and Te Awamutu), Tauranga, Tokoroa, New Plymouth, Hawera and Wanganui, the LFC Ultrafast Fibre has been created;

Enable Services Limited (ESL) owned by Christchurch City Holdings Limited: 15.3% of UFB total coverage comprising Christchurch (including Rolleston) and Rangiora, the LFC Enable Networks Limited (ENL) has been created; and

Chorus Limited, formerly the network arm of Telecom Corporation of New Zealand Limited (Telecom): 69.4% of UFB total coverage comprising 24 Candidate Areas : Auckland, Waiheke Island, Pukekohe, Waiuku, Rotorua, Taupo, Whakatane, Gisborne, Napier-Hastings, Palmerston North, Feilding, Masterton, Kapiti, Levin, Wellington, Nelson, Blenheim, Greymouth, Ashburton, Timaru, Oamaru, Dunedin, Queenstown and Invercargill (being all areas except those covered by ENL, WEL and Northpower).

If it's any consolation Stage 1 of the UFB and RFI is aiming to finish by the end of 2019 and hit 97.8% of NZers (75% for just UFB).

As of March 2016, the stats currently are:
Whangarei 100%
Auckland 48%
Waiheke Island 42%
Tauranga 100%
Rotorua 99%
Whakatane 83%
Gisborne 36%
Napier/Hastings 54%
Masterton 100%
Pukekohe 43%
Waiuku 99%
Hamilton 100%
Cambridge 100%
Te Awamutu 100%
Tokoroa 100%
Taupo 100%
New Plymouth 100%
Hawera 100%
Wanganui 100%
Feilding 32%
Palmerston North 67%
Levin 59%
Kapiti 30%
Wellington 43%
Blenheim 100%
Nelson 65%
Greymouth 100%
Christchurch (incl Rangiora) 58%
Ashburton 100%
Timaru 100%
Oamaru 100%
Dunedin 64%
Queenstown 99%
Invercargill 60%

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#1630753 15-Sep-2016 10:36

I wrote to the Minister asking this question, this was the relevant part of her response:

The annual deployment plans for UFB are agreed periodically between local fibre companies and Crown Fibre Holdings, the crown entity that manages the Government's investment in UFB infrastructure. These plans take in to account several factors including the location of priority users (schools, hospitals and commercial areas), areas of high density, the location of existing networks transferring into the UFB scheme, and local works underway.

Chorus is a private company and as such is responsible for their own schedule of work. As a Minister of the Crown I am not able to intervene in the day to day planning and operational decisions of Chorus, or other companies that are carrying out work under the UFB scheme.

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#1630831 15-Sep-2016 12:22

December 2019 seems to be the standard date for any unplanned areas.

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#1630900 15-Sep-2016 13:29

venomio:

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As of March 2016, the stats currently are:

Whangarei 100%
Auckland 48%
Waiheke Island 42%
Tauranga 100%
Rotorua 99%
Whakatane 83%
Gisborne 36%
Napier/Hastings 54%
Masterton 100%
Pukekohe 43%
Waiuku 99%
Hamilton 100%
Cambridge 100%
Te Awamutu 100%
Tokoroa 100%
Taupo 100%
New Plymouth 100%
Hawera 100%
Wanganui 100%
Feilding 32%
Palmerston North 67%
Levin 59%
Kapiti 30%
Wellington 43%
Blenheim 100%
Nelson 65%
Greymouth 100%
Christchurch (incl Rangiora) 58%
Ashburton 100%
Timaru 100%
Oamaru 100%
Dunedin 64%
Queenstown 99%
Invercargill 60%

It interests me that Auckland and Wellington still have less than 50% roll-out. Is this to avoid allegations of political bias?

I live in a Wellington suburb at the bottom of the list - December 2019.

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#1630904 15-Sep-2016 13:34

Alot of smaller cities/towns have 100% - might need to move :)

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#1630930 15-Sep-2016 13:59

Sideface:

It interests me that Auckland and Wellington still have less than 50% roll-out. Is this to avoid allegations of political bias?

I live in a Wellington suburb at the bottom of the list - December 2019.

Probably a bit of both, and the fact that there is more infrastructure needed and more land to cover. Sucks about your ETA! Do you at least have VDSL/Cable?

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#1630932 15-Sep-2016 14:05

Sideface:

Probably a bit of both, and the fact that there is more infrastructure needed and more land to cover. Sucks about your ETA! Do you at least have VDSL/Cable?

Then you get the copper dead zones like me. 20minutes from the center of Auckland and 10meg adsl is the best available for another two years. 1km either side already have fiber :-(

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#1630947 15-Sep-2016 14:13

noroad:

Sideface:

Probably a bit of both, and the fact that there is more infrastructure needed and more land to cover. Sucks about your ETA! Do you at least have VDSL/Cable?

Then you get the copper dead zones like me. 20minutes from the center of Auckland and 10meg adsl is the best available for another two years. 1km either side already have fiber :-(

I would seriously consider Skinny (or Spark) 4G if I was in a similar situation... That's rough!

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