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#249215 1-May-2019 10:28

Just received an "estimate" to bring an NGA fibre from the street corner, past our neighbour and to the boundary of our place. Total run about 20-50 metres depending on which corner of our frontage they bring it in.

$58,500.

And it's only a grass berm.

Photo is taken from the furtherest boundary entry point. The first driveway is ours, the 2nd our neighbour's and then the street corner.

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#2228561 1-May-2019 10:42

There isnt just the costs of the physical fibre.

Honestly, that price for a NGA Application doesnt surprise me.

@atomeara is a bit of an expert on ordering these, he's done a few.

Fun fact, it's 58K for the install to my place. that's 2KM of fibre through a nightmare of Sbends and trees. :P

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#2228566 1-May-2019 10:48

Do Chorus have a refer-a-friend program? You could refer each other and get $250 credit each on the cost of the install.

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#2228575 1-May-2019 11:01

I'm happy to get the details re-checked if the OP would like to send me a DM with the address and/or NOA number.

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#2228576 1-May-2019 11:02

Is there anything stopping people from using their own 3rd party contractors to do the digging/trenching and then getting chorus to lay the subduct? Assuming they can handle the RON's etc

I had the same issue. I wanted to covert overhead to underground. $10k for a small 5m trench plus ducting.

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#2228577 1-May-2019 11:05

Also since your business address is public, had a quick look.

That's Chorus backhaul fibre, not UFB. it's not even airmarked for Rural Fibre, It's unlikely to even be carrying a gpon signal at this stage.

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#2228579 1-May-2019 11:07

Sounddude:

Is there anything stopping people from using their own 3rd party contractors to do the digging/trenching and then getting chorus to lay the subduct? Assuming they can handle the RON's etc

I had the same issue. I wanted to covert overhead to underground. $10k for a small 5m trench plus ducting.

I'm moving our copper pairs (which currently come in via our neighbour) and am doing all the work myself.

Contact BeforeUDig and ask them to send you the maps. Note they are generally only indicative. I am getting Chorus and Scanpower over to do cable locates. Chorus is $99+GST and Scanpower is no charge.

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#2228580 1-May-2019 11:10

hio77:

Also since your business address is public, had a quick look.

That's Chorus backhaul fibre, not UFB. it's not even airmarked for Rural Fibre, It's unlikely to even be carrying a gpon signal at this stage.

Even if they had to push a fibre all the way to the exchange the price is over the top. That fibre was apparently laid in the recent past (for the cabinet down Ngamoko) so there should be an existing conduit?

Like, what else are they going to do with 48 fibres?

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#2228585 1-May-2019 11:20

MichaelNZ:
hio77:

Also since your business address is public, had a quick look.

That's Chorus backhaul fibre, not UFB. it's not even airmarked for Rural Fibre, It's unlikely to even be carrying a gpon signal at this stage.

Even if they had to push a fibre all the way to the exchange the price is over the top. That fibre was apparently laid in the recent past (for the cabinet down Ngamoko) so there should be an existing conduit?

Like, what else are they going to do with 48 fibres?

To the exchange that currently doesn't feed nga, so all the hardware build out is required?

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#2228587 1-May-2019 11:23

hio77:

To the exchange that currently doesn't feed nga, so all the hardware build out is required?

The enquiry was about RBI fibre.

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#2228595 1-May-2019 11:36

I can appreciate that’s a lot of money Michael, but there is more to the job than just hauling some Fibre. I’ve had a look over the high level design documents. The big ticket items are:

no supporting GPON in the exchange, so that needs to be built.
We have to lay a few hundred meters of new cable (the existing infrastructure is a backhaul cable, as others have pointed out, and is not suitable for standard connections).
Several new access pits need to be installed.

The cost also involves traffic management for working alongside a road and council consents for all this new infrastructure.

Basically from what I can see we are having to build everything from scratch as there is no supporting equipment in your area. ^Richard

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#2228602 1-May-2019 11:48

I have been advised that Norsewood is not a UFB2 area, so Chorus would need to install a GPON at the local exchange (there isn't one at all currently) before anyone in Norsewood would be able to connect to UFB. The supply and install of the GPON forms the bulk of the estimated cost in this particular case. Given the lack of any government UFB agreement in this area, the first party to apply for service (the OP in this case) would ultimately bear the cost of funding the GPON for the whole town. In this scenario, nobody wants to be first, as they would pay significantly more than subsequent requests in the same area.

Your best hope is that a developer comes to town and releases a swag of residential sections for sale, and that this developer works with Chorus to make the sections fibre ready. In that case, the developer would fund the GPON, which would ultimately make fibre on application cheaper for everyone else in town later on down the track.

I'm sorry I don't have more positive news, but in this case, it's not as simple as 50 metres of trenching - there is literally no UFB network in town to connect to. @Hio77 is right - the fibre backhaul cable running down Odin St cannot just be 'tapped into'.

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#2228612 1-May-2019 12:02

Chorusnz:

I can appreciate that’s a lot of money Michael, but there is more to the job than just hauling some Fibre. I’ve had a look over the high level design documents. The big ticket items are:

no supporting GPON in the exchange, so that needs to be built.
We have to lay a few hundred meters of new cable (the existing infrastructure is a backhaul cable, as others have pointed out, and is not suitable for standard connections).
Several new access pits need to be installed.
The cost also involves traffic management for working alongside a road and council consents for all this new infrastructure.

Basically from what I can see we are having to build everything from scratch as there is no supporting equipment in your area. ^Richard

Thanks for your quick and informative response.

Unfortunately, the above reads to me along the lines you are expecting me to pay for your UFB infrastructure rather than simply delivering a service, which you could do over an active port without all that excess.

Takapau has been deployed for UFB and Onga Onga is scheduled so Norsewood is probably going to happen at some point in time. Then you still have to do all the same stuff but the price will magically come down to 1/50th of the cost per connection. Noting between us and the exchange there is probably no more than a dozen connections along the route.

Furthermore, InspireNet would actually have to dig up the street to get here (unlike yourselves who I would expect would have existing conduit) and their price has come in at a fraction of yours.

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#2228618 1-May-2019 12:07

They are expecting you to pay for all the bits needed to provide that service. Outside of UFB and UFB2 nobody is paying them to expand fiber services apart from paying clients. The price wont drop should there be a UFB3 but rather someone else paying the true cost of connecting you

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#2228619 1-May-2019 12:09

MichaelNZ: Even if they had to push a fibre all the way to the exchange the price is over the top. That fibre was apparently laid in the recent past (for the cabinet down Ngamoko) so there should be an existing conduit?

Like, what else are they going to do with 48 fibres?

"So NZTA just built a 48 lane TRAIN line (with dedicated high speed trains from WLG-AKL) right next door to me and I want to have my own dedicated motorway offramp.

They are just delivering services via Train instead of a motorway offramp.

Why do they want to charge me so much to tap into the Trainline just for my car, when in reality they will need to build a whole new road just to my house"

Is basically what you are saying in Train (Nationwide backhaul 100GB fibre running over an Optical Transport Network (OTN) with multiple colours on the same fibre and probably a MPLS core layered ontop of that) vs Car (GPON UFB) technology. While it may be "fibre", it is *completely* different services being run over that fibre best described as the difference between rail and road.

$50k sounds pretty good to me.

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#2228620 1-May-2019 12:09

MichaelNZ:

Unfortunately, the above reads to me along the lines you are expecting me to pay for your UFB infrastructure rather than simply delivering a service, which you could do over an active port without all that excess.

I think your taking the piss expecting that chorus would provide all the infrastructure for one customer free of cost ;)

truth be told running all that gear for 1 user is likely a net loss nevermind purchasing and installing it.

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