Chorus Residential Gateway (Type 300)

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#283894 18-Mar-2021 15:27

Sorry couldnt find anything in the search...

We are busy having fibre installed and it looks like Im getting a Chorus Residential Gateway (Type 300).

Do I need a router between this and my existing LAN ethernet points? Or can I just patch between the ONT and the ethernet jacks in my comms cabinet?

I have a mesh system which can do VLAN tagging but obviously its not ideal to waste a mesh router and have it sitting behind a steel cabinet door...

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#2676535 18-Mar-2021 15:32

Yes you do still need a standalone router, unless your ISP is making use of the RGW feature on that ONT, but I don't think there are any ISPs currently doing that for non-Hyperfibre services

Why not get something like a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter-X to leave in your cabinet instead of using a mesh router? Also curious why you're using mesh hardware instead of normal Wireless Access Points with wired connections if you have Ethernet jacks around your house

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#2676536 18-Mar-2021 15:32

Found some old (2019) info here;

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=251722

Seems like its dependent on the ISP to enable features.

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#2676538 18-Mar-2021 15:34

you can run an Ethernet cable from the ONT to where ever you want to put your router, then connect it up. in this case it would be your master mesh unit as it does the vlan tagging and is acting as the router

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#2676545 18-Mar-2021 15:47

OzoneNZ:

Also curious why you're using mesh hardware instead of normal Wireless Access Points with wired connections if you have Ethernet jacks around your house

Thanks @OzoneNZ

My mesh routers (Huawei Q2 Pro) have 1 WAN + 2 LAN so I only have ethernet backhaul to each mesh router at the moment which provide wireless and 2 ethernet connections per jack.

For VDSL I have Copper -> Fritzbox -> Mesh Router (master) -> ethernet backhaul -> other Mesh Routers

For Fibre I was planning on going ONT -> Mesh Router (master) -> ethernet backhaul -> other Mesh Routers (with this it just seems a waste to have a router in the cabinet)

So I was curious to see if I could do this;

ONT -> ethernet backhaul -> all Mesh Routers (as AP's)

Reading some other threads it looks like I could just chuck a switch in the cabinet to achieve this.

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#2676546 18-Mar-2021 15:50

Switch needs to go after the router, not before.

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#2676550 18-Mar-2021 16:00

tchart:

OzoneNZ:

Also curious why you're using mesh hardware instead of normal Wireless Access Points with wired connections if you have Ethernet jacks around your house

Thanks @OzoneNZ

My mesh routers (Huawei Q2 Pro) have 1 WAN + 2 LAN so I only have ethernet backhaul to each mesh router at the moment which provide wireless and 2 ethernet connections per jack.

For VDSL I have Copper -> Fritzbox -> Mesh Router (master) -> ethernet backhaul -> other Mesh Routers

For Fibre I was planning on going ONT -> Mesh Router (master) -> ethernet backhaul -> other Mesh Routers (with this it just seems a waste to have a router in the cabinet)

So I was curious to see if I could do this;

ONT -> ethernet backhaul -> all Mesh Routers (as AP's)

Reading some other threads it looks like I could just chuck a switch in the cabinet to achieve this.

My parent's house used to do something similar to this - ADSL line came into the garage cabinet, which was then carried via CAT5 to the office where the ADSL modem was, then another Ethernet cable to back-feed the LAN from the office modem to the garage cabinet, then into a switch to distribute to the rest of the house.

You could connect up an ONT port directly to one of your Ethernet ports in the house, but you'd need another Ethernet port right next to it to feed the LAN side of your network back to your cabinet and out to the other ports.

Seems like a strange setup to be honest, wouldn't really recommend it

Do you have the option of just disabling routing on your Huawei Q2s and using them as pure Wireless Access Points instead?

Then you can leave the FritzBox to manage routing in your cabinet and all your Ethernet ports around the house will be LAN-side, instead of needing one of them to be WAN and wasting another port to back-feed your LAN to the cabinet

What you absolutely can't do is just connect up 2+ mesh routers to the ONT, it's purely a media converter from GPON to Ethernet and requires a router of some sort behind it. This is the same reason a switch directly coming off the ONT won't work, still no router present in that setup.

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#2676598 18-Mar-2021 16:16

Just because it looks like a router a type-300 ONT is simply configured as an ONT, ie its just the modem part of your setup with no routing ability enabled.

How many ethernet cables run from the cabinet to each of the rooms, if there is a room where you want to place an AP but has two ethernet ports then place the master Q2 there with one cable taking the WAN from the ONT to the Q2, the LAN port of the master Q2 can return on the other ethernet feed to a switch in the comms cupboard, this can now distribute the LAN to the slave Q2's and other locations.

Alternatively run all the Q2's as APs, place the ISP's router in the comms cupboard as a router/switch.

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#2676654 18-Mar-2021 18:24

your router (master mesh) has to go before all the other Ethernet back haul mesh units

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#2678045 21-Mar-2021 19:15

Jase2985:
your router (master mesh) has to go before all the other Ethernet back haul mesh units

logically yes, but with vlans there's a separation of physical topology and logical topology

OP could just chuck a managed switch in his central cabinet and use vlan's to separate the wan traffic to the ONT from the lan traffic. He already said his ISP uses vlan tagging on the ONT - and that he had two wall ports where his primary mesh router is - so just set the port to the ONT and the port to the primary node's WAN port for vlan tagged (presumably it's vlan 10), and the rest of the ports to untagged, then patch the primary node's LAN port and the other mesh nodes back to the central switch

gets more fun if he only had a single ethernet port where the primary mesh/router is - still feasible using vlans but would need another managed switch that end as well (as he'd be trunking botht the vlan and untagged trtaffic back to the main switch) - and if the service is decently fast that would either mean sacrificing speed or using a faster trunk link (I'm doing the later myself using a 2.5gbe link from the central switch out to the router)

of course other option it to just direct patch the ONT port to the master node wan port in the central patch bay, and just use an unmanaged switch ifor all the mesh nodes (again topologically the same as his original setup with the fritzbox - the lan ports on he fritzbox are just on an internal switch)