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#75806 23-Jan-2011 18:34
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I live in a fairly new (3ish year old) townhouse in Wellington, and I noticed that the internal phone wiring is done with Cat5e, with one pair used for the phone and the remaining pairs unconnected. I was wanting to use 2 pairs to make a connection between two points in the house, one being at the location of our alarm controller.

If I were connecting any of the actual phone jacks it seems I could just ensure that the correct points in the daisy chain were connected along the way however the alarm seems to be wired up differently.

As I expected, the phone connection comes into, and out of the alarm controller as these are designed to be the entry point of the phone connection so that the alarm can 'capture' the line if it triggers, however all I see coming into and out of the alarm is one white 2-pair cable (The rest of the phone wiring is Blue Cat5e).

So I am guessing that there is some *other* point in the house where the phone cable for the alarm is actually captured from. Interestingly enough, there is Blue Cat5e running right past the alarm panel coming in from the demarc, however I can't actually use it without cutting into the cable as it runs past. It just comes in from a hole in the floor and disappears into the wall cavity.

Can anyone offer any advise on why the alarm (which was installed when the house was built) would not have captured the incoming phone line as it ran past? And where I might find the point where it does tap into the phone line in the house?




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  #430389 23-Jan-2011 23:55
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Normally the alarm grabber would be connected behind an ADSL master filter to prevent it from interrupting broadband signal. I hope its not your own house, because daisy-chained phone wiring is a pain if you want to do things like this.

The white cable will be a pair going into the alarm, and the other pair coming out to the phone outlets. Since that is close to the demarc, you would want to run a cable (another 2 pairs??) from one of the existing jacks. Note that the daisy-chain setup may limit the wiring being used for ethernet, but some sparky may not have realised that when they spent the extra money on nice blue cable. A Cat5 joiner might solve that problem, instead of the splicers likely to be connecting the alarm wires.




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  #430392 24-Jan-2011 00:03
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There is no ADSL Master Filter, if I plug a phone into the alarm panel (There is a RJ11 inside) I can hear ADSL noise. The alarm is not monitored.




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  #430402 24-Jan-2011 00:45
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Perhaps that white 2-pair cable from the alarm runs to the first phone jack?
Is this cable connected to the alarm panel?
Are you sure the phone jacks are daisy chained?
If they are you may need to find the first one in the loop and that's probably where the alarm cable (white 2-pair) will be connected to the phone line.




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  #430424 24-Jan-2011 08:16
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Hi, I would put my bet on CyaBro's answer, the white 2pair picks up and delivers the phone back to another outlet or joint somewhere.

I take it if you open the alarm panel the white cable has both pairs connected to the phone terminals, normally blue to line in (sometimes labeled tip/ring) and the line out to the orange pair.

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  #430500 24-Jan-2011 11:50
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cyril7: Hi, I would put my bet on CyaBro's answer, the white 2pair picks up and delivers the phone back to another outlet or joint somewhere.

I take it if you open the alarm panel the white cable has both pairs connected to the phone terminals, normally blue to line in (sometimes labeled tip/ring) and the line out to the orange pair.

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Yes, both pairs are connected inside the alarm panel. I need to check the connections in my flatmates rooms, but I need to ask them first and they haven't been around




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  #432229 28-Jan-2011 14:47
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Did you find the first phone outlet? Did you find a master filter behind it connected to the white alarm cable? Otherwise the alarm would constantly cause ADSL problems.

Shame they didnt put structured cabling into a new house like that.




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  #432232 28-Jan-2011 14:51
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Nope, can't find it. There is no master filter as if I plug into the alarm panel (Internally it has an RJ11), there is ADSL noise on the line. The alarm isn't set up for monitoring, so it doesn't cause any problems.

Got some nice cheap Cat5e from DSE and hope to run it around the edge of the room this weekend instead. It's not going to be quite as elegant a solution, but it will do.




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  #432496 29-Jan-2011 00:48
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Then you need to get a master filter installed to prevent interferance and slow internet caused by the alarm.




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  #432498 29-Jan-2011 00:50
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webwat: Then you need to get a master filter installed to prevent interferance and slow internet caused by the alarm.


I don't have slow internet. Sync at like 15mbit. Have no internet problems because the alarm isn't actually monitored




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  #432515 29-Jan-2011 08:25
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Hi, just because your alarm is not monitored does not mean the alarm panel will not effect your DSL. There are two aspects of not having an alarm panel connected via a filter, firstly if monitored (or sometimes if not monitoried but not set to forget that) it will grab the line every now and then and drop your internet. The other issue effects DSL regardless of if monitored or not and occurs simply by the fact that the line is actually connected to the panel, and thats the fact that the termination of some alarm panels is not DSL friendly and they will shunt out some of the DSL signal reducing potential speed.

You say you want to acheive a cat5 run from a room to the location of the alarm panel, presumably this is for some ethernet or other service. Regardless, having daisy chained phone wiring with DSL is not ideal unless the DSL modem is the last device in the chain and if the chain should split at any point then its bad also. A single clean run from the demarc to the modem with no splits or remnant stubs is what is required, only a central filter will typically easily allow this.

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  #432577 29-Jan-2011 14:39
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Ultimately it's not my house and I am only likely to be here for a few more months. My line sync is 1.272 / 15.150 and doesn't drop, so I see no need for a filter.

I ended up running some Cat5 to where I needed it to go, around the skirting boards in the room. It's fairly discrete, but not as discrete as I would have liked, but I achieved what I needed to




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  #432596 29-Jan-2011 16:31
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all good

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