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#269911 14-Apr-2020 16:12
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Just received:

 

 

Telecommunications provider 2degrees today provided a business update amidst the evolving coronavirus (COVID-19) situation and its impacts on the economy and its business.

 

2degrees Chief Executive Mark Aue said that the company is an essential service provider and more important than ever to customers, but it is not immune from the financial impacts of the crisis.

 

“The New Zealand economy is being impacted in unprecedented ways by COVID-19,” says Mr Aue.

 

“We are a resilient business and will continue to invest in our mobile and broadband networks, and ensure our customers are well served by our New Zealand-based care team. We owe it to our customers and staff to ensure we weather this storm, so we’re making some difficult decisions now to avoid bigger changes later.”

 

2degrees has briefed its people today on a range of cost reductions taken to respond to the impact of COVID-19, advising that whilst agreed measures go a long way, unfortunately more will be required through staffing changes.

 

The company’s response measures include a reduction in capital spend and deferral of non-essential projects, reduced operating costs including a recruitment freeze, renegotiation of supplier rates and vendor costs and an acceleration of cost savings initiatives from 2021. In addition, the company has proposed staff changes that would see a 10% reduction in the company’s 1200-person workforce.

 

Mr Aue says that although 2degrees’ people are its biggest asset, “the harsh reality is that we must now take decisive action, reducing staff numbers or the hours worked for some roles”.

 

“We are already seeing revenue impacts, and like all businesses, are in an unprecedented situation with uncertainty on how long it will last,” says Mr Aue. “We’re starting those difficult discussions with our people now and out of respect for them won’t be providing more detail until we’ve had time to fully consider their feedback.”

 





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  #2461222 14-Apr-2020 16:40
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Not surprised at all Spark and Vodafone will be next with similar media releases, Got to feel sorry for the staff




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  #2467784 22-Apr-2020 13:30
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Oh wow, I do feel sorry for the 2degrees team. Redundancies are always tough and it's not easy to say goodbye to your teammates.

 

I'm a little surprised they are suffering so badly with revenue, I would imagine that telcos and utilities would be pretty resilient even during these times.


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  #2467790 22-Apr-2020 13:35
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antonknee:

 

I'm a little surprised they are suffering so badly with revenue, I would imagine that telcos and utilities would be pretty resilient even during these times.

 

 

Customers tend to move to prepaid from pay monthly and spend less, Keep handsets longer and not upgrade




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  #2467806 22-Apr-2020 13:38
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Seems really unlogical to me to blame on covid19. 

 

Have telcos drop their subscribers numbers (business users maybe)? People moved to lower cost plans? I'd thought internet subscriptions and plans updates sky-rocket during the lockdown... Do they make much profit on selling phones? I doubt it.





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  #2467807 22-Apr-2020 13:39
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Linux:

 

antonknee:

 

I'm a little surprised they are suffering so badly with revenue, I would imagine that telcos and utilities would be pretty resilient even during these times.

 

 

Customers tend to move to prepaid from pay monthly and spend less, Keep handsets longer and not upgrade

 

 

But on the other hand this event has created a strong shift to a new remote working model that requires more and more telco services - broadband and voice. So how can this be justified?





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  #2467817 22-Apr-2020 13:51
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I'm only speaking about mobile connections, Correct up lift in fixed line and I remember during the GFC of 2007 - 2008 business mobile connections getting deactivated all over the show! I remember account managers in panic mode doing bulk disconnects

 

Look at the likes of Air NZ ETC... think of the number of mobile connections they will be getting deactivated


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  #2467863 22-Apr-2020 13:57
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I feel for a lot of businesses that will not be reopening post Covid 19 plus the hundreds of wage and salary earners that will lose their jobs.


 
 
 

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  #2467888 22-Apr-2020 14:17
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Yea I'm a little surprised by this. Would have thought an ISP is fairly resilient to this sort of thing. Especially as, realistically, it isn't that long a period.

 

But @Linux makes a good point... mobiles would get hit hard with other businesses closing and mass redundancy. Perhaps its a sign that fixed line shouldn't be your loss leader to get people on mobile contracts!!


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  #2467891 22-Apr-2020 14:28
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Not a surprise at all. Margins in consumer ISP are _really_ tight, and UFB consumes a huge % of the retail fee. Mobile calling and usage has all seen huge uplift, but then there was also huge takeup of all you can eat plans too :-)

 

 

 

I just hope they dont fold.





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  #2467923 22-Apr-2020 15:00
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kobiak:

 

Seems really unlogical to me to blame on covid19. 

 

Have telcos drop their subscribers numbers (business users maybe)? People moved to lower cost plans? I'd thought internet subscriptions and plans updates sky-rocket during the lockdown... Do they make much profit on selling phones? I doubt it.

 

 

A fair number of businesses are scrambling to cut costs (including telco spend), some are laying staff off, and plenty of people have their income reduced or removed. So both personal and business customers need to reduce their spend.


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  #2467963 22-Apr-2020 16:00
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freitasm:

 

 

 

But on the other hand this event has created a strong shift to a new remote working model that requires more and more telco services - broadband and voice. So how can this be justified?

 

 

 

 

I am inclined to agree with this. This feels a little bit a case of something they were intending to do are are putting it under the COVID19 banner to make it more publically perception palatable.

 

It's also unlikely they would be seeing the impact of this after only 4 weeks. I could have understood if 2 months later, when belts got tightened.

 

 


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  #2467967 22-Apr-2020 16:15
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Linux:

 

Look at the likes of Air NZ ETC... think of the number of mobile connections they will be getting deactivated

 

 

I'd tend to agree with you, but presumably those individuals will still want a mobile phone service after all is said and done so shouldn't result in a net decrease in connections. This is assuming that those invididuals don't have two connections (one personal and one business). ARPU may be a different matter altogether, although corporate plans that I have seen tend to be better value than mass-market offerings.


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  #2467993 22-Apr-2020 17:22
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The loss of revenue from roaming spend (both inbound and outbound) will be significant. That said, it's disturbing to see shareholders of large companies generally defaulting to positions where they are unwillingly to accept lower returns and are instead rapidly moving to costs cutting behaviour. In the case of telecommunications companies, this is particularly disappointing as their likely loss of revenue short to medium term certainly wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as that experienced by many other sectors.


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  #2468014 22-Apr-2020 18:28
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dejadeadnz:

 

The loss of revenue from roaming spend (both inbound and outbound) will be significant. That said, it's disturbing to see shareholders of large companies generally defaulting to positions where they are unwillingly to accept lower returns and are instead rapidly moving to costs cutting behaviour. In the case of telecommunications companies, this is particularly disappointing as their likely loss of revenue short to medium term certainly wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as that experienced by many other sectors.

 

 

If COVID-19 was a blip and then business was likely to resume at similar levels after a couple of months then accepting reduced returns would make sense.

 

It's not a blip and the world is entering a medium term recession. There will be massive reductions in connections from tourism related businesses and similar cost cutting from every other sector. It's prudent that telcos cut their costs now before they are forced to make more dramatic cuts.

 

It sucks but it's rational behaviour.


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