Just bought a locally sold xiaomi - changing dialer needed

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#295851 29-Apr-2022 11:23

Got a xiaomi 11t pro because I am sick of my old phone crashing when trying to use google maps.

Assumed it would come with the nice xiaomi dialer with the record option on it, but it seems they bundle the google dialer and sms app for local ones sold by PB tech.

Want to reflash it so I get call recording (like all phones should offer)

No easy way to see which option from the list have which dialer on it. Anyone know how to tell easily?

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#2908216 29-Apr-2022 11:26

Google bans call recording apps

EDIT: BTW, I dont believe you have to reflash a phone to change the dialer (or other default apps):

https://mobilepains.com/how-do-i-change-the-default-dialer-for-android/

You usually can't uninstall the original default program - but you can easily stop the system using it.

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#2908220 29-Apr-2022 11:32

It needs boot loader unlocking and flashing with a different regions firmware file. I know of others doing it with previous xiaomi phones without problem.

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#2908338 29-Apr-2022 13:35

richms:

Got a xiaomi 11t pro because I am sick of my old phone crashing when trying to use google maps.

Assumed it would come with the nice xiaomi dialer with the record option on it, but it seems they bundle the google dialer and sms app for local ones sold by PB tech.

Want to reflash it so I get call recording (like all phones should offer)

No easy way to see which option from the list have which dialer on it. Anyone know how to tell easily?

Do you notify the other person when you're recording the conversation?

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#2908345 29-Apr-2022 13:45

openmedia:

richms:

Got a xiaomi 11t pro because I am sick of my old phone crashing when trying to use google maps.

Assumed it would come with the nice xiaomi dialer with the record option on it, but it seems they bundle the google dialer and sms app for local ones sold by PB tech.

Want to reflash it so I get call recording (like all phones should offer)

No easy way to see which option from the list have which dialer on it. Anyone know how to tell easily?

Do you notify the other person when you're recording the conversation?

Legally, don't need to. If a 3rd party is recording that it needs to be announced. Out of courtesy, you could do so anyway.

I use to record calls on my mobile, mainly to cover myself for work if a client called then complained about anything.

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#2908360 29-Apr-2022 14:16

openmedia:

Do you notify the other person when you're recording the conversation?

No, because that is not legally required in NZ so long as one party knows. IMO those recording laws are stupid and need to go, because all calls should be recorded

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#2908361 29-Apr-2022 14:18

xpd:

Legally, don't need to. If a 3rd party is recording that it needs to be announced. Out of courtesy, you could do so anyway.

I use to record calls on my mobile, mainly to cover myself for work if a client called then complained about anything.

I do because I cant remember crap about what I discussed once I am off the call which is why I hate phonecalls, but so many stupid businesses don't seem to grasp that email is better than phonecalls all around for everything except for emergency needs. "Hi you emailed us a query and it will cost $xx for that, $yy if you add on something else, it will take Z days to happen etc" is worthless on a phonecall.

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#2909978 4-May-2022 09:08

Call recording should be available via Google Dialer for Xiaomi in NZ, it it present and working on both my wife's local 11T Pro and my Mi 11 on Spark.

Xiaomi's Taiwan and Indonesia branches of Global MIUI include the Xiaomi dialer if you prefer to switch.

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#2909979 4-May-2022 09:16

richms: because all calls should be recorded

Presumably because ".... think of the children"

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#2910004 4-May-2022 10:29

richms:

all calls should be recorded

Why?

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#2910012 4-May-2022 11:06

NikT:

Call recording should be available via Google Dialer for Xiaomi in NZ, it it present and working on both my wife's local 11T Pro and my Mi 11 on Spark.

Xiaomi's Taiwan and Indonesia branches of Global MIUI include the Xiaomi dialer if you prefer to switch.

Its not automatic and it plays sounds to other end which is not a requirement here. My whole reason for choosing a xiaomi was because all the previous ones I have had in the past have had this, and IMO changing to the inferior google apps is pretty much a bait and switch type thing.

Ill give Taiwan a shot over the weekend.

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#2910014 4-May-2022 11:07

MikeAqua:

richms:

all calls should be recorded

Why?

Because all other forms of communications are logged and I don't see why phonecalls should be any different. Businesses try to get you on to a phonecall to discuss things because its easier for them to lie about what was said and give half truths or claim that something else was the outcome of a discussion.

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#2910026 4-May-2022 11:50

richms: Because all other forms of communications are logged and I don't see why phonecalls should be any different.

Your letters sent through the post are not opened and scanned by the post office. Your conversations on the bus or in the pub are not recorded.

Historically the phone system had no mechanism to automatically record phone calls, the only logging for exchanges was billing until electronic exchanges allowed logging of calls connections and durations, but not recording of calls.

Unless you live in a surveillance state that has normally required a court order or similar for a wire tap.

The reason that SMTP emails don't really have any envelope is that the protocols were developed in the heady days of early computer networking when people were generally trusted, and they more closely mimicked Telex. Compare with telnet, rlogin, rcmd etc and all the insecure protocols that nobody uses anymore. Similarly, SMS messaging was not really a planned service, they just managed to squeeze it out of available bandwidth, and then it took off.

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#2910028 4-May-2022 12:07

Im not talking about the network recording it, Im talking about me getting a log of it. This is why I hate places that try to take things offline and want meetings or calls about stuff. If I email someone, I have a log of what I said, when I said it, they reply, I have that logged. No questions about what it said.

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#2910082 4-May-2022 12:24

richms: This is why I hate places that try to take things offline and want meetings or calls about stuff.

That is why people in business have contracts, agendas, minutes and actions. Face to face meetings and calls do improve communication.

If you have a meeting then don't have a written summary of what was agreed then that can certainly be a problem for which there are already established procedures that can address that. There is nothing wrong with using an email to summarise the outcomes of a meeting to which all can agree.

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#2910103 4-May-2022 12:53

richms:

Its not automatic and it plays sounds to other end which is not a requirement here. My whole reason for choosing a xiaomi was because all the previous ones I have had in the past have had this, and IMO changing to the inferior google apps is pretty much a bait and switch type thing.

Ill give Taiwan a shot over the weekend.

That's fair. Call recording has saved my bacon on a few memorable occasions. I am not personally a fan of Google's dialer either. It has been bundled with global MIUI since the tail end of 2019 with the Redmi Note 8 Pro. Since then, it has become standard for almost every Android brand - OPPO, Xiaomi, Vivo, Motorola, OnePlus. et cetera - with Samsung as the standout exception. This has largely been driven by European regulatory requirements, there are now multiple branches of most Android flavours for most brands to meet various regional regulations, and it can be a crapshoot to determine which features we do and do not get here in NZ. These software branches diverge in various ways with bundled app suites/services and whitelisted phone-home servers, numerous brands consider NZ 'generic APAC' along with other Pacific Islands and route data via Singapore (as opposed to EU or CN or et cetera).

For example, the OPPO devices I have on hand include Google dialer without call recording enabled - this was a switch-out from the OPPO dialer in the Find X2 Pro --> Google Dialer in Find X3 Pro in 2021. My discussions with multiple brands have pointed to this being a Google-side issue, ostensibly call recording via Google dialer is enabled per-region based on Google's understanding of the applicable local regulations. As you note, NZ does not require both parties to consent to call recording, so it may well be another fun case wherein NZ is a rounding error at the bottom of the world, and painted with a wide brush.

That said, basic call recording is available on NZ-new Xiaomi handsets, with further options available for tinkerers - a better state than several other brands, for which there is no such functionality at all, and no workaround.

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