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#2210278 3-Apr-2019 18:08

Dial111: My monthly sub is $48.31 (inc VPN)

For just a quick pick up and go it’s Netflix (Lightbox is free via phone contract)
For sport it’s Kayo Sport

And for PPV I use Apple Movies or Google Play Movies which is obviously one off price.

Sky doesn’t meet my needs that’s all it is, nothing against them. I’m impatient I want to watch what I want when I want, that’s the luxury I’m willing to pay for. If Sky remodels into a catalogue type OD service like Netflix than I’d be considering that.

Which is better (Sky vs the rest) is a matter of opinion, some seem to think that their opinion is fact which is incorrect.

Anyway hurry up and announce something about this Puck!

Sky has OD. FTA has OD. Its not about Sky vs the rest its about which service is the best. Is there one that gives you all you want? No.

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#2210281 3-Apr-2019 18:11

Dial111: Actually I never said ALL is opinion I said some. The trend in this thread is some people are so defensive of their own opinion that someone cannot have their own without being jumped all over. An above post hits the nail on the head by Hammerer (no pun intended) that more objective opinions are need rather than some that come across as trying to defend the honour of their chosen service.

There is a lot of dribble ITT but some good points made nonetheless as well.

Please point out the defensive ones. Some here offer points, that to others who done like/agree/afford is defensive.

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#2210282 3-Apr-2019 18:11

Dial111: Actually I never said ALL is opinion I said some. The trend in this thread is some people are so defensive of their own opinion that someone cannot have their own without being jumped all over. An above post hits the nail on the head by Hammerer (no pun intended) that more objective opinions are need rather than some that come across as trying to defend the honour of their chosen service.

There is a lot of dribble ITT but some good points made nonetheless as well.

Please point out the defensive ones. Some here offer points, that to others who done like/agree/afford is defensive.

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#2210293 3-Apr-2019 18:45

tdgeek:

Sky has OD. FTA has OD. Its not about Sky vs the rest its about which service is the best. Is there one that gives you all you want? No.

smh You said 1, 2 or 3 so I gave 2, there is nothing I'm missing out on or actively seeking right now.

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#2210295 3-Apr-2019 18:49

tdgeek:

Please point out the defensive ones. Some here offer points, that to others who done like/agree/afford is defensive.

Why? what does that achieve. Do you feel the need to defend yourself against what I said?

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#2210296 3-Apr-2019 18:55

networkn:

You are missing my point, not sure if it's deliberate.

They are competing in terms of being content providers, but they don't contain (all) the same content.

Not deliberate, I just think we have a different view on what constitutes competition.

Burger King and KFC are definitely direct competitors. They both compete for the fast food dollar, but each with different content.

networkn:

I might be rare, but the reason I first subscribed to Sky is for Food TV. I like being able to sit down and just blob on the couch and watch a variety of food shows without having to pick a specific one.

Ok, I get how Sky delivers for you in this area over Netflix. I see it as a nuanced difference between the two services that is significant for some, but not a major point of difference across the broad user group.

Take me, I won't go to cinemas that don't have allocated seating as it's very important to me where I sit in a movie theatre. So if two cinemas are showing the same movie, but one doesn't have allocated seating, I won't consider it. But I also acknowledge that most cinema goers are indifferent on this and for them the two cinemas are very much in direct competition on price and other factors.

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#2210297 3-Apr-2019 18:59

Rikkitic:

I am happy to have a serious, dispassionate discussion about different modes of content delivery that does not descend into personal abuse. However, I am not in a position to compare current offerings or technology of Sky because I am no longer a subscriber and don't know how they have changed from the time I was. I am also not able to comment on high end stuff like 4K streaming because my RBI broadband is not up to that. For regular SD and HD content, streaming works better for me than Sky did at the time I had Sky. That is the reason I left it. The content I stream is also far cheaper than Sky was, but in spite of what some keep saying, that is not a primary consideration for me. I don't mind paying whatever something costs, if the something is what I want in the way I want it. When I said I could get 10,000x more content from 6x$15 sources (or whatever it was I did say), I was being a leetle sarcastic. I was just trying to make the point that I could probably subscribe to Hulu, Amazon Prime, Lightbox, Netflix, Curiosity Stream and a handful of others for the same total price I had been paying to Sky. Any added convenience from zapping channels on the Sky remote does not make up for the huge difference in available content.

What I have found with IPTV channels in particular, such as those from Apsattv, is that they are as easy to zap through as any Sky (or other) remote. With Kodi Favourites shortcuts and some clever add-ons, many other sources are not much more difficult. The Sky remote still wins out for ease of use, but not by much for my use.

That is all I will say for the moment. If the emotion is taken out of the discussion, Sky wins on some things, loses on others. No surprises there. The balance depends a lot on individual needs and wishes of the consumer.

I get most if what you say. I am beta testing Spark Sport. It's in beta a few issues. But what I see is issues across the board with broadband based content. Apps, devices, browsers, casting. In my own OD use case, Spark Sport is SWEET (aside from beta issues, the quality is supreme) But of all demographics, who will decide to be a Kodi expert? Sideload apps? Get and set BB based EPG's to cobble together a nice solution? Few. Thats the problem. Netflix doesnt have that as most devices include NF, but anything else is an issue.

Its not Sky vs ... Its provider vs provider. And we are moving towards how many of the 6, 7, 8 providers will we choose?

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#2210298 3-Apr-2019 19:03

networkn:

but the downside is navigation insteam which is horrible in every SVOD product I have used.

Thats my beef also.

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#2210299 3-Apr-2019 19:08

Dial111: But they are competing.

A quote from https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/02/20/452986/not-much-joy-in-fellets-sky-tv-swansong#

“Sky has been hard hit by competition from streaming services like Netflix and Spark's Netflix equivalent Lightbox, over the last few years.

Fellet said the company's had to keep its prices down to try to hold onto subscribers.”

If your losing subscribers directly to Netflix or Lightbox or whatever that makes them competition does it not?

Yes and No. (A truly politicians answer.)

What he means is that NF et al are the standard/norl=mal pricing structure I.e $15 per month. Thise who ditch Sky are sating we prefer $15 per month and WE WILL FOREGO STUFF/CONVENIENCE

We are happy to not see this or that content, and put our tablet on the coffee table and cast to our TV, messy as it is, so reduce cost.

I dont see that as competing

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#2210301 3-Apr-2019 19:11

dafman:

networkn:

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networkn:

Sky isn't eqivilent to Netflix per se. They are only competing in the loosest of terms.

Sport is the exception. In other areas (eg. movies, docos, TV series) they are competing head on, aren't they?

No, they aren't. Only in terms of being content providers in the loosest sense.

How they curate it is completely different, how they deliver is completely different etc. We have covered this.

I'm not sure we have covered this.

From a end-user perspective - Sky and Netflix are providing media content that, with the exception of sport, is the same end product for the user (movies, TV, docos served up on a screen). If two companies are providing the similar media content then they are competing. Do I watch a movie tonight on Netflix or do I watch a movie on Sky - bingo, head-on competition right there!

Similar comparison. Uber and Wellington Combined taxis are very much competitors, aren't they? Yet, like Sky v Netflix, how they deliver their services is completely different. This difference in how they deliver services doesn't mean they are now competing in the loosest sense, they are very much head to head competitors. One is simply using new technology to deliver, the other old technology (hmmn ... just like NF v Sky).

Following the introduction of Netflix, Sky disconnections skyrocketed (pun intended) because many Sky subscribers switched to Netflix. We all know people that say they ditched Sky after subscribing to Netflix, don't we? They switched because NF competes directly with Sky.

Sport is the only exception, and the only thing keeping Sky on air.

If you are into movies why on earth do you pay $26 to Sky????? If you are into docos, why would you pay Netflix????

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#2210302 3-Apr-2019 19:13

Dial111:

tdgeek:

Sky has OD. FTA has OD. Its not about Sky vs the rest its about which service is the best. Is there one that gives you all you want? No.

smh You said 1, 2 or 3 so I gave 2, there is nothing I'm missing out on or actively seeking right now.

Thats fine and lucky for you. If ALL the content you want is ONLY on 2 services great. Saving money for you

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#2210303 3-Apr-2019 19:15

Dial111:

tdgeek:

Please point out the defensive ones. Some here offer points, that to others who done like/agree/afford is defensive.

Why? what does that achieve. Do you feel the need to defend yourself against what I said?

I was merely asking so I can respond, but you chose not to. Answered.

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#2210304 3-Apr-2019 19:17

dafman:

networkn:

You are missing my point, not sure if it's deliberate.

They are competing in terms of being content providers, but they don't contain (all) the same content.

Not deliberate, I just think we have a different view on what constitutes competition.

Burger King and KFC are definitely direct competitors. They both compete for the fast food dollar, but each with different content.

networkn:

I might be rare, but the reason I first subscribed to Sky is for Food TV. I like being able to sit down and just blob on the couch and watch a variety of food shows without having to pick a specific one.

Ok, I get how Sky delivers for you in this area over Netflix. I see it as a nuanced difference between the two services that is significant for some, but not a major point of difference across the broad user group.

Take me, I won't go to cinemas that don't have allocated seating as it's very important to me where I sit in a movie theatre. So if two cinemas are showing the same movie, but one doesn't have allocated seating, I won't consider it. But I also acknowledge that most cinema goers are indifferent on this and for them the two cinemas are very much in direct competition on price and other factors.

Both are poor examples.

Sky Movies. Not many, newer, expensive. $26 I guess

Netflix. Many, older, fillers, cheap.

Its not the same.

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#2210316 3-Apr-2019 19:28

I feel we need to move to this topic https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=151&topicid=248642

Fragmentation of content. While Sky, like Apple, is worthy of bashing, the issue is really fragmentation of content, Sky is just one small part of content.

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#2211362 5-Apr-2019 14:35

This prob nothing but saw a notification show up on Facebook saying "Sky TV" is now known as "Sky", heaps of ways you could read into this but fingers crossed something is coming soon.

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