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#219778 30-May-2009 13:06

Kyanar:
It's got an eSATA port. They COULD just enable that? (And to be honest, they likely will since Tivo will undoubtably have their external HDD addon)

I'd say the changes of Sky enabling the eSATA port and allowing any non DRM certified device are about as high as Sky giving everybody free service for a year..

You do realise the Tivo is probably one of the most DRM ridden devices on the market?

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#219818 30-May-2009 14:32

sbiddle:
You do realise the Tivo is probably one of the most DRM ridden devices on the market?

That was only after the US content providers demanded it be..

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#219830 30-May-2009 14:57

If the data on an external device is encrypted, then isn't that the ultimate drm?

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#219837 30-May-2009 15:06

Kyanar: As you were told (but clearly weren't listening) our stupid laws forbid even telling others how to "pirate" TV programmes etc protected by "effective copy-protection technology" (like HDCP). And other stupid laws open websites containing such information to legal liability. Telling others how to break copy protection here on Geekzone exposes Mauricio to the risk of lawsuits, etc.

If what you say is even remotely true, then the law here in NZ is a complete and utter ass.

Why can retailers sell blank recordable media and DVD recording devices if, as you claim, the action of recording/copying anything is so illegal?

Logic beggars reality.

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#219901 30-May-2009 17:40

I did a test on Monday and you can copy all channels without any problem except the 5 movie channels which are copy once and the Box Office channels which will not allow copying (I tried to record the free 5 minutes you get at the start of the movie). I tested to a Pioneer HDD/DVD recorder through a s-video connection. I did this using my My Sky HD.
- Has anyone tried with a silver My Sky
- Has anyone tried throuh the yellow video out port

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#219919 30-May-2009 18:55

Copying the movie channels presents no problems

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#219946 30-May-2009 20:56

As you were told (but clearly weren't listening) our stupid laws forbid even telling others how to "pirate" TV programmes etc protected by "effective copy-protection technology" (like HDCP). And other stupid laws open websites containing such information to legal liability. Telling others how to break copy protection here on Geekzone exposes Mauricio to the risk of lawsuits, etc.

What law, what Act?

Please identify the piece of Legislation for me.

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#219948 30-May-2009 21:07

I have seen Macrovision bypassing devices sold on TradeMe on many occasions, I would have thought that TradeMe would have had to act if this was illegal.

I was of the belief that purchasing a device with the intent to break the law was illegal, not owning it or discussing how the technology works. I own a hammer, I have never used it to break into cars.

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#220034 31-May-2009 08:30

Zippity:
As you were told (but clearly weren't listening) our stupid laws forbid even telling others how to "pirate" TV programmes etc protected by "effective copy-protection technology" (like HDCP). And other stupid laws open websites containing such information to legal liability. Telling others how to break copy protection here on Geekzone exposes Mauricio to the risk of lawsuits, etc.

What law, what Act?

Please identify the piece of Legislation for me.

He's most likely thinks that we have the US DMCA law here in NZ..

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#220044 31-May-2009 09:08

old3eyes:
Zippity:
As you were told (but clearly weren't listening) our stupid laws forbid even telling others how to "pirate" TV programmes etc protected by "effective copy-protection technology" (like HDCP). And other stupid laws open websites containing such information to legal liability. Telling others how to break copy protection here on Geekzone exposes Mauricio to the risk of lawsuits, etc.

What law, what Act?

Please identify the piece of Legislation for me.

He's most likely thinks that we have the US DMCA law here in NZ..

The most telling thing is that the flag set on Sky is called [COPY ONCE]. Not "don't copy" at all. So they are inviting you to format-shift, or backup, but just making it much more tedious to do so, requiring CPRM compatable media.

The Pay Per View movies have [do not copy] flags which is fair enough, I totally agree. But TV3 and old movies now prevented from time-shifting, odd sort of service?

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#220112 31-May-2009 12:57

Zippity: Why can retailers sell blank recordable media and DVD recording devices if, as you claim, the action of recording/copying anything is so illegal?

Perfectly legit to record your home-made movies to DVD

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#220121 31-May-2009 13:29

226A Prohibited conduct in relation to technological protection measure

“(1) A person (A) must not make, import, sell, distribute, let for hire, offer or expose for sale or hire, or advertise for sale or hire, a TPM circumvention device that applies to a technological protection measure if A knows or has reason to believe that it will, or is likely to, be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work.

“(2) A person (A) must not provide a service to another person (B) if—

“(a) A intends the service to enable or assist B to circumvent a technological protection measure; and

“(b) A knows or has reason to believe that the service will, or is likely to, be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work.

“(3) A person (A) must not publish information enabling or assisting another person to circumvent a technological protection measure if A intends that the information will be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work

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#220122 31-May-2009 13:37

"Prohibited"? isn't that the past tense?

Does that Legislation apply TODAY or was it repealed?

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#220123 31-May-2009 13:43

Came into effect on the 31st October 2008.

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#220129 31-May-2009 14:50

sbiddle: Section 226A of the Copyright Amendment Act 2008 covers TPM's.

226A Prohibited conduct in relation to technological protection measure

“(1) A person (A) must not make, import, sell, distribute, let for hire, offer or expose for sale or hire, or advertise for sale or hire, a TPM circumvention device that applies to a technological protection measure if A knows or has reason to believe that it will, or is likely to, be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work.

“(2) A person (A) must not provide a service to another person (B) if—

“(a) A intends the service to enable or assist B to circumvent a technological protection measure; and

“(b) A knows or has reason to believe that the service will, or is likely to, be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work.

“(3) A person (A) must not publish information enabling or assisting another person to circumvent a technological protection measure if A intends that the information will be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work

Excuse my ignorance, but isn't TPM the [Trusted Platform Module], a hardware encryption chip or system to provide secure Computer interfacing. As distinct from the CPRM we'v recently been afflicted with. I can certainly understand legislation to support that.

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