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Acrux
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  #353936 20-Jul-2010 14:38
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Interestingly I don't think anyone apart from perhaps swalker may have asked, what are you wanting to photgraph and where are you going to use this camera? DSLR's have two major advantages, they can use different lenses, if you don't mind spending serious money and usually have better standard lenses and features than the budget point and shot cameras. There are however a few other cameras around that can challenge the low to medium end DSLR's without breaking the bank. The camera below would be great for taking on a campervan holiday.

At risk of offending the DSLR's rule brigade, have a serious look at the Canon G11. It is a high end point and shoot with the features and flexability of most DSLR's. You will have to try fairly hard to find a scene it won't do justice. The images are sharp, well defined and saturated, RAW mode and movies, no problem. They have done sensible things like reducing the nuber of pixels from the previous model to improve low light performance and a swiveling LCD display. They are a dream to operate yet pack a punch in terms of manual overrides. My mother who is a president of the local photographic society owns one for about one year and swears by it. This camera gets used, her much more expensive nikon does not.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong11/



Buttonmash
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  #353950 20-Jul-2010 14:54
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The G11 has two major disadvantages to it:

? 1/1.7" Type CCD

The small sensor will result in higher noise in low light, more agressive use of higher ISO settings and likely move agressive noise reduction routines.

? 28-140mm (35mm equiv)

You're missing out on the extra wide angle and long zoom ends there, although this would suit 90% of your photo taking. You cannot swap to a decent prime if you're taking portrait shots, a long zoom when shooting wildlife, a macro for those times you want an A3 sized spider etc. You're limiting yourself to point and shoot photos. However that is what a lot of people want.


ScottStevensNZ
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  #353973 20-Jul-2010 15:15
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In all honesty - I'd still say go for a DSLR. From the first post I'm guessing that you want to extend yourself beyond the point and shoots. You could go for a high end point and shoot, but chances are if you really start to enjoy yourself you'll want the flexibility of interchangable lenses and the bigger sensor. Also, one thing I noticed which may have changed since I had a point and shoot is that DSLR's are faster at taking photos - there is little or no lag between pressing the shutter button and taking the photo...so that fast moving child or animal will be captured.




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  #353999 20-Jul-2010 15:45
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OP - Once you make a decision would you be able to report back on what you bought and how you have found the camera?

I ask because I have been thinking of doing the same thing for a while now and would like to hear from your experiences.

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  #354058 20-Jul-2010 17:20
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Key thing is the feel of the camera. As I said I had convinced myself that I really wanted the GF1 but then found it was just too small for me to be comfortable with as my main "good" camera.

Not sure where you are located but a visit to a dedicated camera store is highly recommended as they can ask you want you want to do, demonstrate the features and let you actually try out a few different cameras. Wellington Photographic on Vivian Street in Wellington would be my personal recommendation as they have a wide range of cameras on site and I personally have found their prices to be comparable to or below the likes of Noel Leeming.

Multi Megapixel cameras are great if you want to blow up your shots to the size of a house but for a general 6x4 you don't need high pixels. I have pictures on canvas which are 800mm x 600mm taken on a 4meg point and shoot nikon and they look just fine.

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  #354112 20-Jul-2010 18:51
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Acrux: At risk of offending the DSLR's rule brigade, have a serious look at the Canon G11.

Agreed, a mate just got back from a trip around South East Asia with a new G11 and can't speak highly enough of it. He's never used a DSLR but was very pleased with it and to be honest wouldn't likely be able to see any difference between the two options. 

On the issue of noise, the G11, and Canon's S90 are some of the best you can get in a P&S form factor and unless you're taking night exposures is easy to tweak in Lightroom or with Topaz Labs to reduce the noise.

OP: How big could you ever imagine printing a picture? If it's no bigger than an A4 then a high end P&S would be fine i would think. If you wanted bigger or thought you might one day get seriously into it then perhaps a DSLR is a better option.

I recently bought a Nikon Ftn and Rollei 35 as i was in a nostalgia bent and am loving going back to the simplicity of them...

Raikyn
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  #355517 23-Jul-2010 18:54
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Whatever you end up buying , I would suggest going into a camera shop and actually handle the different cameras. Around entry level the results from the different cameras are similar, but most prefer the feel of one brand over another.

From a Canon point of view I would suggest a second-hand body(40D,450D or 550D) and either the 15-85 kit lens or a Tamron 17-50 2.8 lens as a good starting point for general usage. Unless there are specific thing you want to photograph that require a different lens.

 
 
 

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Buttonmash
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  #355518 23-Jul-2010 18:58
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We got rid of the kit lens for our 500D and replaced it with a Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 lens like Raikyn suggested. I would suggest though you DEFINITELY avoid the VC version of this lens as the quality drop is significant (unless you really want VC I guess?)

http://the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Tamron-17-50mm-f-2.8-XR-Di-II-Lens-Review.aspx

Raikyn
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  #355519 23-Jul-2010 19:08
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What was the kit lens you replaced?

Actually I don't think the 15-85 IS is a kit lens, but maybe bundled with some cameras, supposed to be a good entry/consumer level. Haven't actually used it myself but it has good reviews.

I think Tamron has some of the longest names around for their lenses ;)

Buttonmash
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  #355524 23-Jul-2010 19:12
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This wee beasty:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-S-18-55mm-f-3.5-5.6-IS-Lens-Review.aspx



Supposedly good for a kit lens but the quality was absolute rubbish compared to the Carl Zeiss glass in our previous Sony DSC-R1. And it gets absolutely blown away by the Tamron.


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  #355614 23-Jul-2010 23:49
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i have a canon 1000d but some friends have nikon and others have sony. at that end of the market they're all pretty similar, but i often hear the canon pimped higher than the others. in fact, a high end nikon user told me to go for the canon over the nikon at the cheap end. The sony's have the image stabilisation in the body, instead of the lens, which makes it cheaper for buying lenses.

sony has an outlet store with a few dslr's cheap too if you're interested: http://www.outlet.sony.co.nz/products/product/alpha.jsp

as for teh 1000d, it was on sale at $999 for the twin lens kit at noel leeming recently - but the twin lens kit has a non IS (image stabilisation) lens which isnt good for a beginner.




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  #355707 24-Jul-2010 09:22
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On the canon mine was sold (for same money) with the 18-55mm IS lens, and 70-200mm - non IS.





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