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#2222895 23-Apr-2019 21:52

I'm on "FibreX Max" in Island Bay, Wellington.

There is a brand-new HFC optical node/box at the end of our street.

Here are 9pm results for Wellington, Melbourne, and Los Angeles.

Although these results look impressive, real-world performance is no better than when I was on FibreX 200/20.

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#2222897 23-Apr-2019 21:54

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I'm on "FibreX Max" in Island Bay, Wellington.

There is a brand-new HFC optical node/box at the end of our street.

Wait they actually replaced it in the end? lol.

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#2222899 23-Apr-2019 21:56

Fibre Max = True Fibre = ~900/400

Fibrex = Hybrid coxial fibre = ~900/100 which is what the above speedtest shows and he even states cable under it.

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#2222901 23-Apr-2019 21:58

OP your thread title has Fibre x in it and the screenshots you posted are for fibre max

which one do you want as they are different products

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#2222913 23-Apr-2019 22:04

Jase2985:
OP your thread title has Fibre x in it and the screenshots you posted are for fibre max

which one do you want as they are different products

My mistake, fibre max.

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#2222915 23-Apr-2019 22:09

Jase2985:

Fibre Max = True Fibre = ~900/400

Fibrex = Hybrid coxial fibre = ~900/100 which is what the above speedtest shows and he even states cable under it.

UFB Product is also over provisioned so you can get the full speed on layer 3, 400 is a tad low...

so your numbers should probably be ~900/~500. at the port it's 550 on most networks.

that tends to test at just a little above 500mbit on a speedtest.

Vodafone Fibrex is provisioned 100mbit at layer 2 so you get 95~97mbit.

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#2222918 23-Apr-2019 22:15

hio77:

Jase2985:

Fibre Max = True Fibre = ~900/400

Fibrex = Hybrid coxial fibre = ~900/100 which is what the above speedtest shows and he even states cable under it.

UFB Product is also over provisioned so you can get the full speed on layer 3, 400 is a tad low...

agreed but almost all ISP's advertise 900/400 as the connection speeds its more realistic and obtainable

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#2223236 24-Apr-2019 15:47

Jase2985:

Fibre Max = True Fibre = ~900/400

Fibrex = Hybrid coxial fibre = ~900/100 which is what the above speedtest shows and he even states cable under it.

Just confirmed with the Vodafone sales team, they said I'm able to get Fibre Max speeds, not FibreX Speeds. As FibreX Is only available to Kapiti, Wellington, & Christchurch. Last I check all the speedtests on this thread were all from Wellington servers.

Much appreciated.

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#2223259 24-Apr-2019 15:59

the server is irrelivant

those speedtest were all fibrex speedtest as thats what your title said to start with

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#2223344 24-Apr-2019 19:45

Some clarification please -- as I understand it, Vodafone's FiberX offering is restricted to the HFC network, and that FibreMax is their offering using the UFB network as recently installed nationally by Chorus - yes/no?

This being so, why has my friends recently been upgraded to what is described on the Vodafone contract as "FibreXMax"?

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#2223345 24-Apr-2019 19:48

FibreXmax will be up to 1Gbp/s down over the HFC network not the Chorus UFB network

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#2223346 24-Apr-2019 19:49

Rickles:

Some clarification please - as I understand it, Vodafone's FiberX offering is restricted to the HFC network, and that FibreMax is their offering using the UFB network as recently installed nationally by Chorus - yes/no?

Yes

This being so, why has my friends recently been upgraded to what is described on the Vodafone contract as "FibreXMax"?

"FibreX Max" is HFC cable - it is NOT "real" UFB fibre.

VF make more profit from cable than from fibre, because VF own the cable network - so they don't need to pay Chorus.

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#2223348 24-Apr-2019 19:53

Rickles:

Some clarification please -- as I understand it, Vodafone's FiberX offering is restricted to the HFC network, and that FibreMax is their offering using the UFB network as recently installed nationally by Chorus - yes/no?

This being so, why has my friends recently been upgraded to what is described on the Vodafone contract as "FibreXMax"?

see https://www.vodafone.co.nz/broadband/ultra-fast/fibrex/

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#2223355 24-Apr-2019 20:15

Rickles:

Some clarification please -- as I understand it, Vodafone's FiberX offering is restricted to the HFC network, and that FibreMax is their offering using the UFB network as recently installed nationally by Chorus - yes/no?

This being so, why has my friends recently been upgraded to what is described on the Vodafone contract as "FibreXMax"?

FibreX = A vodafone speed plan of 200/20, offered only on cable network

FibreXMax = A vodafone speed plan of 1gbps/100mbps, offered only on cable network

Vodafone owns the cable network outright, and came with the acquisition of TelstraClear in 2012.

FibreMax = A vodafone speed plan of 1gbps/500mbps, and is only available on UFB connections (Chorus, Northpower, Enable, UFF)

Where cable overlaps fibre, voda defaults to supplying cable. The customer can insist on fibre but they need to know to do that, and depending on the call centre it can either be easy or hard to get. For voda it makes sense as UFB connections cost the company $51/month in wholesale charges. Cable only has maintenance and capital investment costs.

TelstraClear connected many buildings in their footprint, so in many cases its faster to activate a cable connection than it is to get fibre going, but that is changing as more fibre connections happen of course.

As has been discussed in significant detail on this site, gbps connections are misleading and there are many reasons people don't get anywhere near these speeds, domestically or internationally. Typical average speeds tend to sit in the 500-600mbps region, although i frequently can hit 110mbps up (for the few apps I have that can use that speed).

Cable network is 25 years old and suffering from years of average investment; plus if the rubber sheaths deteriorate and water gets in, it can really impact performance. Cable & Fibre are layer 2 networks and can struggle with congestion etc. All the different network types (including A/VDSL) roll into a layer 3 network, and voda is probably the biggest network in the country (wholesale/retail), meaning their ISP is really struggling. During the school hols I've found all sorts of congestion and DNS timeouts.

They are running a deal where they will offer FibreXMax and FibreX prices, which is worth $20/month - that's pretty good, although it does come with some unfortunate restrictions (voda TV only/single voip line with limited features/have to use the homehub).

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#2223421 24-Apr-2019 21:59

So cable can be just as affected (performance-wise) by water as copper can? Interesting.

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