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#729438 9-Dec-2012 22:38

MikeSkyrme: As far as the recording and the 'prank' are concerned, I also believe it is illegal to record a conversation without advising the person receiving the call that they are indeed being recorded.

Depends on the law of the land. In this country a conversation can be recorded covertly if one party agrees to the recording. If the call had been made from NZ, the agreeing party (or parties) would have been the DJ's.

gzt: Someone would have to bring charges first. That isn't likely in this case. [Edit: my point about the radio station is they would not have expected the prank to succeed in this way. The radio station made the decision to broadcast the result and they have legal liability for the content of the broadcast obtained by deception]

A bit like above - depends on the law of the land. In this country "obtaining by deception" relates to obtaining ownership or possession of any property, or any privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration, directly or indirectly. I can't be bothered hauling out my old deception module right now to get the accepted definitions, but I don't believe the tape recording would fall into any of them.

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#729460 10-Dec-2012 07:33

I only heard about the suicide this morning from a cousins facebook post.

I for one thought the prank was quite humerous and also couldn't believe it go thru as far as it did.

The DJ's did everything they could to make it sound fake.

as said, they would have expected to have been challenged on this and had a bit of harmless banter back and forth with the nurse.

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#729463 10-Dec-2012 07:48

I can see the funny side of the prank which would be typical for radio dj's

The prank should never have worked. The hospital should be ashamed that the royal family were staying and information was given out so easily.

As for the suicide it would never of been expected and blew the whole thing out of proportion. There is more to the story. I wonder it was somewhat caused by the media? Why did they report the dj's phoned 'nurses specific name' as opposed to the dj's phoned xxxx hospital

As for the radio dj's being held accountable that is pc garbage. Noone would of or should of expected her to top herself and you can't walk on thin ice all the time. There would of been a lot more going on we don't know about leading to the suicide.

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#729511 10-Dec-2012 09:21

Dratsab:In this country "obtaining by deception" relates to obtaining ownership or possession of any property, or any privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration, directly or indirectly. I can't be bothered hauling out my old deception module right now to get the accepted definitions, but I don't believe the tape recording would fall into any of them.

My thinking is details of K.Middleton's medical condition were obtained by deception and then broadcast for pecuniary advantage. The recording is incidental to that. Add privacy invasion to the mix as well. I think you are more likely to be correct, but I'm sure there is enough there for a prosecution of some kind if desired, but no indication anyone actually wants to do that.

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#729513 10-Dec-2012 09:22

Anyone know the ethnicity of the nurse who killed herself or the age of her kids?

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#729535 10-Dec-2012 09:46

networkn: Anyone know the ethnicity of the nurse who killed herself or the age of her kids?

Indian, with family in Bangalore. Migrated to UK 9 or so years ago after working outside India for 3 years or so. Husband is an accountant. Kids are teenagers. Police say cause of death is unknown but no suspicious circumstances.

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#729538 10-Dec-2012 09:48

gzt:
networkn: Anyone know the ethnicity of the nurse who killed herself or the age of her kids?

Indian, with family in Bangalore. Migrated to UK 9 or so years ago after working outside India for 3 years or so. Husband is an accountant. Kids are teenagers. Police say cause of death is unknown but no suspicious circumstances.

Hmm I am not certain but I am not aware of any requirement for shame == suicide in Indian culture?

At least her kids aren't really little, not saying they won't be suffering....

Will ruin December for them forever I imagine.

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#729690 10-Dec-2012 12:39

qwerty7: I can see the funny side of the prank which would be typical for radio dj's

The prank should never have worked. The hospital should be ashamed that the royal family were staying and information was given out so easily.

As for the suicide it would never of been expected and blew the whole thing out of proportion. There is more to the story. I wonder it was somewhat caused by the media? Why did they report the dj's phoned 'nurses specific name' as opposed to the dj's phoned xxxx hospital

As for the radio dj's being held accountable that is pc garbage. Noone would of or should of expected her to top herself and you can't walk on thin ice all the time. There would of been a lot more going on we don't know about leading to the suicide.

Quite true. Apparently this was recorded during the early hours of the morning in AU, ran past the stations legal team before it was broadcast who gave it thumbs up. Any attempt by the British police to charge someone in Au for this would not go down too well over there..

And as for the British media calling for blood and prosecutions . Pot calling the kettle black anyone..

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#729864 10-Dec-2012 16:44

I think that if the (unwashed) masses who are baying for blood don't chill out, that they could find they really do have blood on their hands, how long of a barrage can two DJ's last without considering something rash themselves...

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#729879 10-Dec-2012 17:16

This is a sad and unfortunate result of a prank that went a bit too far, but to blame the DJs or the station for the tragic death of the nurse, which was in no way foreseeable, is a step too far.

My view is that the DJs stepped over the line by impersonating royals. They could (and perhaps should) be charged with something over this. Obtaining by deception? Identity Fraud? something like that.

Without knowing more details, the suicide by the nurse while tragic, seems disproportionate to what happened. Some fairly uninteresting details were released. Nobodies security was compromised, nothing incriminating was handed over. This was severely embarrassing for those involved, at best.

We don't know what the circumstances of the nurses life were, and what other factors came into play here. I think it would be reasonable to assume that there was other factors at play here as suicide over this incident alone seems unlikely.

Again, a truly tragic incident - and I feel sorry for the royals and the innocent unborn baby who now have to live with the burden that someone took their life after this incident. I think this highlights that incredible importance of good, available mental healthcare, something that is desperately lacking in most of the world.

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#730060 11-Dec-2012 00:33

I feel very sorry for everyone involved in this tragedy but, unlike some of you, I can understand the poor nurse's suicide in these circumstances. When you consider that the hospital is very small (only 58 beds) and is the hospital used by a lot of the royal family, from the Queen, Princes Philip and Charles, the Queen Mother, Princess Margaret, and others, it's not surprising that she fell for the hoax. She was then humiliated and set up for world-wide public ridicule. She would never have been able to rewrite history so it didn't happen. This is a woman who was humiliated and probably embarrassed. She lived in London away from her family during the week so didn't have any family support during this time. The breach of a patient's confidentiality is a huge issue for dedicated nurses and regardless of how it happened she would have felt responsible.

I don't think any of us know how we would feel in such a situation so I think it patently unfair to apportion blame to the victim and assume she had an underlying problem. When the whole world is laughing at you there is nowhere to go. Some people would shrug it off and get on with their lives, other people would buckle under the strain.

While the DJ's may not have expected such a tragic result, they didn't care about causing humiliation and distress and ultimately that is what caused a death.

The fact that it is illegal in Australia to record a person without their knowledge and it is also an offence to broadcast the recording without the consent of that person means that the DJ's (and their management) should be called to account over their actions. They should have been anyway, regardless of the tragedy.

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#730064 11-Dec-2012 00:55

Tragic situation, but applying the pressure solely on the DJs isn't entirely justified. If anything the pressure on this nurse, would have come from mostly King Edward Hospital, and the Media. Perhaps the royals also to a smaller extent..

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#730363 11-Dec-2012 12:35

Elpie: I feel very sorry for everyone involved in this tragedy but, unlike some of you, I can understand the poor nurse's suicide in these circumstances. When you consider that the hospital is very small (only 58 beds) and is the hospital used by a lot of the royal family, from the Queen, Princes Philip and Charles, the Queen Mother, Princess Margaret, and others, it's not surprising that she fell for the hoax. She was then humiliated and set up for world-wide public ridicule. She would never have been able to rewrite history so it didn't happen. This is a woman who was humiliated and probably embarrassed. She lived in London away from her family during the week so didn't have any family support during this time. The breach of a patient's confidentiality is a huge issue for dedicated nurses and regardless of how it happened she would have felt responsible.

I don't think any of us know how we would feel in such a situation so I think it patently unfair to apportion blame to the victim and assume she had an underlying problem. When the whole world is laughing at you there is nowhere to go. Some people would shrug it off and get on with their lives, other people would buckle under the strain.

While the DJ's may not have expected such a tragic result, they didn't care about causing humiliation and distress and ultimately that is what caused a death.

The fact that it is illegal in Australia to record a person without their knowledge and it is also an offence to broadcast the recording without the consent of that person means that the DJ's (and their management) should be called to account over their actions. They should have been anyway, regardless of the tragedy.

THIS!

Why do so many people think it is OK for one party to do something that may humiliate another party, or to embarrass the other party WITHOUT FIRST OBTAINING CONSENT!??? It is pure and out childish school yard stuff that adults should have grown up and left behind. It is fine for it to happen in the movies or a scripted television programme because all parties are paid actors and (usually) know what exactly what is happening. But the way these other people go about it is deplorable and is purely getting a cheap thrill (with or without a profit motive) at someone else's expense. Where "someone else's expense" is involved people should think twice!

I heard Jason Gunn ring some poor woman in Californian the other day trying to convince her she was related to Carrie Fisher (because he thought he had information that suggest she was related). She kept insisting that she was not related and had never met Carrie Fisher and he kept pushing that surely she must have seen her at some family reunion or somewhere... Finally the called ended and the woman could go back to sleep. Yes - the arrogant Jason Gunn had rung this poor lady and some bad information he had and had woken her during the middle of the night - just so he could get his jollies off, increase ratings and station profits. This should not be acceptable behaviour/practise.

We are better than this people.

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#730369 11-Dec-2012 12:40

keewee01:
Elpie: I feel very sorry for everyone involved in this tragedy but, unlike some of you, I can understand the poor nurse's suicide in these circumstances. When you consider that the hospital is very small (only 58 beds) and is the hospital used by a lot of the royal family, from the Queen, Princes Philip and Charles, the Queen Mother, Princess Margaret, and others, it's not surprising that she fell for the hoax. She was then humiliated and set up for world-wide public ridicule. She would never have been able to rewrite history so it didn't happen. This is a woman who was humiliated and probably embarrassed. She lived in London away from her family during the week so didn't have any family support during this time. The breach of a patient's confidentiality is a huge issue for dedicated nurses and regardless of how it happened she would have felt responsible.

I don't think any of us know how we would feel in such a situation so I think it patently unfair to apportion blame to the victim and assume she had an underlying problem. When the whole world is laughing at you there is nowhere to go. Some people would shrug it off and get on with their lives, other people would buckle under the strain.

While the DJ's may not have expected such a tragic result, they didn't care about causing humiliation and distress and ultimately that is what caused a death.

The fact that it is illegal in Australia to record a person without their knowledge and it is also an offence to broadcast the recording without the consent of that person means that the DJ's (and their management) should be called to account over their actions. They should have been anyway, regardless of the tragedy.

THIS!

Why do so many people think it is OK for one party to do something that may humiliate another party, or to embarrass the other party WITHOUT FIRST OBTAINING CONSENT!??? It is pure and out childish school yard stuff that adults should have grown up and left behind. It is fine for it to happen in the movies or a scripted television programme because all parties are paid actors and (usually) know what exactly what is happening. But the way these other people go about it is deplorable and is purely getting a cheap thrill (with or without a profit motive) at someone else's expense. Where "someone else's expense" is involved people should think twice!

I heard Jason Gunn ring some poor woman in Californian the other day trying to convince her she was related to Carrie Fisher (because he thought he had information that suggest she was related). She kept insisting that she was not related and had never met Carrie Fisher and he kept pushing that surely she must have seen her at some family reunion or somewhere... Finally the called ended and the woman could go back to sleep. Yes - the arrogant Jason Gunn had rung this poor lady and some bad information he had and had woken her during the middle of the night - just so he could get his jollies off, increase ratings and station profits. This should not be acceptable behaviour/practise.

We are better than this people.

Pranks by definition require no prior knowledge? Are you suggesting no pranking ever? I have found some of more FM's prank calls from Simon and Phil days to be fairly cringeworthy, but never harmful and I don't consider the above example falls into the same category as tricking a medical professional into giving out personal information.

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networkn:
keewee01:
Elpie: I feel very sorry for everyone involved in this tragedy but, unlike some of you, I can understand the poor nurse's suicide in these circumstances. When you consider that the hospital is very small (only 58 beds) and is the hospital used by a lot of the royal family, from the Queen, Princes Philip and Charles, the Queen Mother, Princess Margaret, and others, it's not surprising that she fell for the hoax. She was then humiliated and set up for world-wide public ridicule. She would never have been able to rewrite history so it didn't happen. This is a woman who was humiliated and probably embarrassed. She lived in London away from her family during the week so didn't have any family support during this time. The breach of a patient's confidentiality is a huge issue for dedicated nurses and regardless of how it happened she would have felt responsible.

I don't think any of us know how we would feel in such a situation so I think it patently unfair to apportion blame to the victim and assume she had an underlying problem. When the whole world is laughing at you there is nowhere to go. Some people would shrug it off and get on with their lives, other people would buckle under the strain.

While the DJ's may not have expected such a tragic result, they didn't care about causing humiliation and distress and ultimately that is what caused a death.

The fact that it is illegal in Australia to record a person without their knowledge and it is also an offence to broadcast the recording without the consent of that person means that the DJ's (and their management) should be called to account over their actions. They should have been anyway, regardless of the tragedy.

THIS!

Why do so many people think it is OK for one party to do something that may humiliate another party, or to embarrass the other party WITHOUT FIRST OBTAINING CONSENT!??? It is pure and out childish school yard stuff that adults should have grown up and left behind. It is fine for it to happen in the movies or a scripted television programme because all parties are paid actors and (usually) know what exactly what is happening. But the way these other people go about it is deplorable and is purely getting a cheap thrill (with or without a profit motive) at someone else's expense. Where "someone else's expense" is involved people should think twice!

I heard Jason Gunn ring some poor woman in Californian the other day trying to convince her she was related to Carrie Fisher (because he thought he had information that suggest she was related). She kept insisting that she was not related and had never met Carrie Fisher and he kept pushing that surely she must have seen her at some family reunion or somewhere... Finally the called ended and the woman could go back to sleep. Yes - the arrogant Jason Gunn had rung this poor lady and some bad information he had and had woken her during the middle of the night - just so he could get his jollies off, increase ratings and station profits. This should not be acceptable behaviour/practise.

We are better than this people.

Pranks by definition require no prior knowledge? Are you suggesting no pranking ever? I have found some of more FM's prank calls from Simon and Phil days to be fairly cringeworthy, but never harmful and I don't consider the above example falls into the same category as tricking a medical professional into giving out personal information.

Pranks of friends and people you know well I don't have so much of an issue with. Pranking strangers is bordering on malicious due to the fact there is nothing in it for the other party!

The biggest issue with the Jason Gunn prank was he rang in the middle of the night showing no regard to the person he was calling. My point here is that these guys making the calls are either rushing into it with out thinking about it first, or are just being plain out arrogant. It would have made more sense to have done this at a time the person on the other end was awake - but obviously there was no thought put into this particular prank call - something that may well be fairly common with this sort of thing.

I enjoy a good laugh at the next person, but as I've already said - it should not be at a strangers expense.

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