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#1282945 14-Apr-2015 14:05

I also need to state:

If the risk of reaction is zero and risk of disease is high - do it.
If the risk of reaction is very low and risk of disease is medium - do it.
If the risk of reaction is high and risk of disease is low - don't do it.
If the risk of reaction is serious and you are certain to die without it - most people would do it.

So there needs to be a balance When thinking. Unfortunately we have the internet ...

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#1283099 14-Apr-2015 18:02

Geektastic:
networkn:
Geektastic: It all seems odd to me - we used to get most of our jabs at school and there was no option - you just got marched up to Matron's rooms and the nurse injected you!

Same.

So when did we start allowing people to labour under the misapprehension these things were optional?

I guess when we decided that you could not force medical treatment on people , consent is required.

Perhaps if you feel that no consent should be required then ask yourself if you then feel your doctor should be able to
enrol you in a medical experiment (e.g. change your medication to a trial drug) without your consent.

If people choose not to vaccinate their children then the parents accept liability for treatment. i.e. if the child requires hospitalisation then they pay full cost recovery.

Also schools should be allowed to make a free choice as to if they allow unvaccinated children into the school.

GPs should also be allowed to refuse service to unvaccinated children because of the risk the represent to other patients.

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#1283117 14-Apr-2015 18:05

sir1963:
Geektastic:
networkn:
Geektastic: It all seems odd to me - we used to get most of our jabs at school and there was no option - you just got marched up to Matron's rooms and the nurse injected you!

Same.

So when did we start allowing people to labour under the misapprehension these things were optional?

I guess when we decided that you could not force medical treatment on people , consent is required.

Perhaps if you feel that no consent should be required then ask yourself if you then feel your doctor should be able to
enrol you in a medical experiment (e.g. change your medication to a trial drug) without your consent.

If people choose not to vaccinate their children then the parents accept liability for treatment. i.e. if the child requires hospitalisation then they pay full cost recovery.

Also schools should be allowed to make a free choice as to if they allow unvaccinated children into the school.

GPs should also be allowed to refuse service to unvaccinated children because of the risk the represent to other patients.

Vaccinating the population with a widely used and licensed vaccine is a social good. Enrolling someone in a trial for an unlicensed drug without consent is not slightly similar!

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#1283244 14-Apr-2015 21:00

I said it before and I'll say it again, but a bit louder.

THIS IS NOT AIMED AT BENEFICIARIES, THIS IS THE FAMILY TAX BENEFIT.... Known in NZ as WORKING FOR FAMILIES. A TAX REBATE FOR PEOPLE THAT WORK.

It's for the middle class that read stupid facebook posts and believe people like Jenny McCarthy.

It has nothing to do with the dole, the DPB, sickness benefit or any other non-working types.

I'll even make it simpler. PRIVILEGED WHITE PARENTS that have no common sense.

The type you see on Kath & Kim.

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#1283274 14-Apr-2015 21:19

Because of the amount of misinformation that is circulating regarding this subject before any sanctions are considered Governments should sponsor an independent education programme to get the facts out there.

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#1283304 14-Apr-2015 22:05

Geektastic:
sir1963:
Geektastic:
networkn:
Geektastic: It all seems odd to me - we used to get most of our jabs at school and there was no option - you just got marched up to Matron's rooms and the nurse injected you!

Same.

So when did we start allowing people to labour under the misapprehension these things were optional?

I guess when we decided that you could not force medical treatment on people , consent is required.

Perhaps if you feel that no consent should be required then ask yourself if you then feel your doctor should be able to
enrol you in a medical experiment (e.g. change your medication to a trial drug) without your consent.

If people choose not to vaccinate their children then the parents accept liability for treatment. i.e. if the child requires hospitalisation then they pay full cost recovery.

Also schools should be allowed to make a free choice as to if they allow unvaccinated children into the school.

GPs should also be allowed to refuse service to unvaccinated children because of the risk the represent to other patients.

Vaccinating the population with a widely used and licensed vaccine is a social good. Enrolling someone in a trial for an unlicensed drug without consent is not slightly similar!

No, they are exactly the same, they are forcing medical treatment onto someone who does not want it.

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#1283312 14-Apr-2015 22:23

sir1963:
Geektastic:
sir1963:
Geektastic:
networkn:
Geektastic: It all seems odd to me - we used to get most of our jabs at school and there was no option - you just got marched up to Matron's rooms and the nurse injected you!

Same.

So when did we start allowing people to labour under the misapprehension these things were optional?

I guess when we decided that you could not force medical treatment on people , consent is required.

Perhaps if you feel that no consent should be required then ask yourself if you then feel your doctor should be able to
enrol you in a medical experiment (e.g. change your medication to a trial drug) without your consent.

If people choose not to vaccinate their children then the parents accept liability for treatment. i.e. if the child requires hospitalisation then they pay full cost recovery.

Also schools should be allowed to make a free choice as to if they allow unvaccinated children into the school.

GPs should also be allowed to refuse service to unvaccinated children because of the risk the represent to other patients.

Vaccinating the population with a widely used and licensed vaccine is a social good. Enrolling someone in a trial for an unlicensed drug without consent is not slightly similar!

No, they are exactly the same, they are forcing medical treatment onto someone who does not want it.

And sometimes that is necessary. Why should parents be allowed to put a child's life at risk - either their own, or through allowing an unvaccinated child to spread a disease - simply because they are irrational, stupid, excessively religious or gullible?

None of these vaccines are experimental in any way.

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#1283347 14-Apr-2015 22:42

No, they are exactly the same, they are forcing medical treatment onto someone who does not want it.

Plenty of legal precedent around it, and rightfully so. Your kids do not BELONG to you, you are their caretakers until they reach the age they can decide and fend for themselves.

Recently there have been cases where parents have decided against medical advice not to treat their kids for cancer and other nonsense and the courts have overruled them, as well they should have.

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#1283353 14-Apr-2015 22:53

KiwiNZ: Because of the amount of misinformation that is circulating regarding this subject before any sanctions are considered Governments should sponsor an independent education programme to get the facts out there.

these guys don't trust the government, the doctors, why bother?

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