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  # 330294 15-May-2010 08:15
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Here's another quick example I stumble on - and no, I haven't researched it.
How, if scientists are finding dinosaur bones that are supposedly tens of millions of years old, do some of them still have blood cells, let alone exist at all? 60-odd million years is a lonnnnggg time for a bone to not disintergrate under any sort of conditions? And yes I am more than happy to look at any suggestions for the support of this, I am not closed minded :)



once again,  the answer you seek can be found with s imple google, andonce again it appears on the list of common creationist claims

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371.html
for a summary

Claim CC371:
Schweitzer et al. (1997a) found evidence of hemoglobin and red blood cells in an unfossilized Tyrannosaurus rex bone. This indicates that the dinosaur died rather recently, not millions of years ago, which in turn indicates that the earth is young.
Source:
Wieland, Carl, 1997 (Sep.-Nov.). Sensational dinosaur blood report. Creation 19(4): 42-43. http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4232cen_s1997.asp
Ham, K., J. Sarfati and C. Wieland, 2000. The Revised and Expanded Answers Book. Green Forest AR: Master Books, pp. 246-247.
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  1. Schweitzer et al. did not find hemoglobin or red blood cells. Rather, they found evidence of degraded hemoglobin fragments and structures that might represent altered blood remnants. They emphasizd repeatedly that even those results were tentative, that the chemicals and structures may be from geological processes and contamination (Schweitzer and Horner 1999; Schweitzer and Staedter 1997; Schweitzer et al. 1997a, 1997b). The bone is exceptionally well preserved, so much so that it may contain some organic material from the original dinosaur, but the preservation should not be exaggerated.




  2. The bone that Schweitzer and her colleagues studied was fossilized, but it was not altered by "permineralization or other diagenetic effects" (Schweitzer et al. 1997b). Permineralization is the filling of the bone's open parts with minerals; diagenetic effects include alterations like cracking. Schweitzer commented that the bone was "not completely fossilized" (Schweitzer and Staedter 1997, 35), but lack of permineralization does not mean unfossilized.




  3. An ancient age of the bone is supported by the (nonradiometric) amino racemization dating technique.




  4. Soft tissues have been found on fossils tens of thousands of years old, and DNA has been recovered from samples more than 300,000 years old (Stokstad 2003; Willerslev et al. 2003). If dinosaur fossils were as young as creationists claim, recovering DNA and non-bone tissues from them should be routine enough that it would not be news.



for a much, much, more detailed explanation
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/flesh.html

 
 
 
 




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  # 331775 19-May-2010 10:15
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Ragnor: I'm just waiting for someone to compare scientists to nazi's or religon to nazism so I can say OH SNAP GODWIN'S LAW.

.. oh wait


Religion is Nazism fullstop.

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  # 331784 19-May-2010 10:51
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No... Religion is what you define it to be.

And therein lies the problem. Because we all have different knowledge bases and life experiences we can all jump to a different set of conclusions after reading the same story.

Now throw in different cultures, different community mindsets, and the relevance (perceived or otherwise) of any text or information source, no matter what it is, and it's no wonder the world is full of congregations and churches that all look to the same god but just can't quiet agree on the direct.

Did you ever play 'Chinese whispers'????

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  # 331785 19-May-2010 10:55
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RedBull:
Ragnor: I'm just waiting for someone to compare scientists to nazi's or religon to nazism so I can say OH SNAP GODWIN'S LAW.

.. oh wait


Religion is Nazism fullstop.



Haha this comment is WIN!!!! I live my life and don't care if my grandmother thinks I'm a filthy heathen who will burn in hell.  I believe in nothing and don't want to believe.   Although if anyone wants to believe in the CoV, Church of Vinnie G, I have 2 members already.  It's simple, give me 10% of your income and I'll provide you with two bottles of tequila each weekend to drink at my place.  Panadols not provided the next morning however




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  # 331786 19-May-2010 10:56
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oxnsox: No... Religion is what you define it to be.

And therein lies the problem. Because we all have different knowledge bases and life experiences we can all jump to a different set of conclusions after reading the same story.

Now throw in different cultures, different community mindsets, and the relevance (perceived or otherwise) of any text or information source, no matter what it is, and it's no wonder the world is full of congregations and churches that all look to the same god but just can't quiet agree on the direct.

Did you ever play 'Chinese whispers'????


I think these days they teach us that chinese whispers is just "whispers now" because "chinese whispers" was deemed racist... 




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  # 331792 19-May-2010 11:18
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vinnieg: 


I think these days they teach us that chinese whispers is just "whispers now" because "chinese whispers" was deemed racist... 


Ohh, fer gruds sake, you're kidding ?




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  # 331797 19-May-2010 11:24
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See... it's started already. In 5 min's you could say we've had one new religion that has two seperate churches...

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  # 331800 19-May-2010 11:34
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SepticSceptic:
vinnieg: 


I think these days they teach us that chinese whispers is just "whispers now" because "chinese whispers" was deemed racist... 


Ohh, fer gruds sake, you're kidding ?


Unfortunately not :( I wish I was


It's amazing hard to have a conversation with children these days and any mention of the words "chinese whispers", "bullrush" or "bark in the playground" brings idle looks

I can't remember anyone having any accidents on any of the old playgrounds, yet the ones with all their rubber and slow flying foxes are just stupid.  Also the removal of all the old concrete tunnels from most playgrounds is just sad 




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  # 333001 21-May-2010 15:44
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oxnsox: No... Religion is what you define it to be.

And therein lies the problem. Because we all have different knowledge bases and life experiences we can all jump to a different set of conclusions after reading the same story.

Now throw in different cultures, different community mindsets, and the relevance (perceived or otherwise) of any text or information source, no matter what it is, and it's no wonder the world is full of congregations and churches that all look to the same god but just can't quiet agree on the direct.

Did you ever play 'Chinese whispers'????


Thank you sir, And I Define religion as NAZISM. My point exactly. Thank you and goodnight!

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  # 333092 21-May-2010 17:59
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RedBull: Thank you sir, And I Define religion as NAZISM. My point exactly. Thank you and goodnight!


I dunno; religion is the belief in a god or gods. Nazism was/is a political ideology.

They do have similarities though, I'll give ya that. 




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