Worldnet and Slingshot Unlimited Plans?

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#377629 7-Sep-2010 18:55

Yeah I was extremely happy when I first joined with slingshot on their all you can eat plan. Now I feel I am getting taken for an idiot. My trackers keep losing connection and my speeds are laughable.
Oh to live in a country where you pay for your speeds not your GB's.

Kelem

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#377655 7-Sep-2010 20:04

I missed the jump and am stuck at dial up speed with telecom, it is unbearable to say the least, apparently the kids farmville's crops are failing,
Am waiting for slingshot to do their thing it has to be better than this.

System

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Ultimate Geek

#377889 8-Sep-2010 14:24

kinect.co.nz also offers an unlimited plan, anyone had any experience with it?

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Ragnor

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#378017 8-Sep-2010 21:19

There is no way these small fry ISP's can sustain a good performing unlimited plans once people find out and flock to them.

You need large scale to spread the fixed costs of the caching and traffic management hardware over.

Detruire

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#378019 8-Sep-2010 21:27

Hardware which Slingshot has had and been using on their "regular" plans for years?

rm *

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#378023 8-Sep-2010 21:30

There are probably newer better solutions they could be using if they had the $$.

They could provision more international bandwidth if they had the $$.

If anything Slingshot All You Can Eat is just showing us again how it's not economically viable for any NZ ISP to operate an unlimited plan with adequate performance.

They're a business they need to make a enough return on investment for their shareholders or their shareholders would be better off putting their money in other investments and then there won't be any Slingshot anymore.

webwat

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#378143 9-Sep-2010 10:08

Ragnor: There is no way these small fry ISP's can sustain a good performing unlimited plans once people find out and flock to them.

You need large scale to spread the fixed costs of the caching and traffic management hardware over.

Come on, they have the hardware and the international bandwidth (its a 4u load balancing router with Cisco written on it). But they face limits imposed by telecom for per-user aggregated bandwidth into the DSL network that adds up to a very high contention among all those users. Telecom may connect you to a "UBA" service but their backhaul sends all traffic to a Juniper edge router that may even be in a different city, and then sends all the data back to wherever your ISP have their handover points. Not a very efficient way of running a network, so their congestion management includes imposing aggregated limits onto each ISP. The top speeds are only available with unlimited data if you pay the sort of prices that Actrix (I think its them) have on their premium plans.

Time to find a new industry!

Quic Broadband

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Ragnor

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#378232 9-Sep-2010 13:53

webwat:

Come on, they have the hardware and the international bandwidth (its a 4u load balancing router with Cisco written on it). But they face limits imposed by telecom for per-user aggregated bandwidth into the DSL network that adds up to a very high contention among all those users. Telecom may connect you to a "UBA" service but their backhaul sends all traffic to a Juniper edge router that may even be in a different city, and then sends all the data back to wherever your ISP have their handover points. Not a very efficient way of running a network, so their congestion management includes imposing aggregated limits onto each ISP. The top speeds are only available with unlimited data if you pay the sort of prices that Actrix (I think its them) have on their premium plans.

I agree Telecom wholesale backhaul and handover link rates are pretty archaic but that's a different issue imo.

In practice people on Slingshot aren't having significant national traffic issues, lots of people report good speeds for popular common torrents from Slingshots Oversi caching (which is local traffic) for example.

With Slingshot right now their major issue is management and contention on international traffic.

Also what is stopping Telstra, Orcon and Vodafone offering unlimited (other than economic viability) on their LLU network where they are using their own (or Vector or FX Networks) backhaul/handover?

tarnoss

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Wannabe Geek

#386139 30-Sep-2010 02:45

Been on the worldnet plan since a week before the telecom unlimited implosion. Torrents are basically impossible, they'll run at terrible speeds and no other web browsing possible while dling. download accelerators sadly only work if you run them with only one segment and one at a time. The new twist thats really got me peeved is that at 2am today suddenly i can access www.megaupload.com but no file downloads possible. If the site name is www.megaupload.com/file-foo then sorry, unreachable. tried multiple links from different sites but no go. totally filtered. I'll switch to slingshot and pay the end contract fee and slag these guys off to anyone who'll listen. shocking company.

Cheers all.

hangon

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Ultimate Geek

#388315 5-Oct-2010 15:37

Have you tried protocol obfuscation and other port numbers?

I've been with worldnet for years, their support phone is nearly impossible to get through, I had to visit their Newton office last time but the incident was handled fairly quickly (Telecom's fault). P2P was not a problem with emule using protocol obfuscation n non default ports, from back of my head on a ~6Mbps connection i could get up to 500+KB/s after midnight.

Haven't tried P2P since I moved home last month, got stuck with worldnet as I can't find any good (and cheap) alternatives (paying $80 for naked dsl, full speed u/d, 028 number, 20GB allowance and $10 for each extra 10GB block). Local cabinet still not 2+ ready, ~7Mbps connection speed, 4~6Mbps on speedtest during peak/offpeak time. will try emule again this week to see how it works.

hangon

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Ultimate Geek

#388554 5-Oct-2010 23:38

348KB/s emule download at this moment, ~60 active downloads. average session speed for last 90 min is ~210KB/s

JacobYaYa

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Wannabe Geek

#388581 6-Oct-2010 06:17

From your post it would seem you are not on the unlimited plan which this thread is talking about.

hangon

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Ultimate Geek

#388645 6-Oct-2010 09:48

JacobYaYa: From your post it would seem you are not on the unlimited plan which this thread is talking about.

ah sorry my bad..

webwat

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#389294 7-Oct-2010 18:52

Ragnor: There is no way these small fry ISP's can sustain a good performing unlimited plans once people find out and flock to them.

You need large scale to spread the fixed costs of the caching and traffic management hardware over.

You need even larger scale to build your own backhaul to bypass telecom's aggregate bandwidth contracts.

Time to find a new industry!

robbyp

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#389778 9-Oct-2010 00:10

sacked101: Iv Been with ... unlimited internet for 2 months.
liking it allot

Under your other profile, didn't you say 4 months?

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