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  Reply # 605024 4-Apr-2012 12:42
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moxpearl:
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moxpearl: Telecom have been running a lot of TV adverts about usage recently... eg interviews with families saying how much they use and might in the future...

Still.. overnight telecom has just made every other ISPs current plans worthless (Well except the unlimited plans a few ISPs offer)

Orcon and Vodafone will be the biggest losers ...

For the "Lower End"

Orcon Genius $80 for 30GB ... (12 month contract)

Why would you do that when you can go..

Telstraclear $75 for 40GB ... including 2 months free..(3 if you bring your own modem) ...




because the telstraclear one only last a year.  after that you pay $105/month.
the orcon one is permanent.


What are you talking about ?

If somebody joins right now.. 12 month contract

Telstraclear = $75 per month = 40GB per month + 2 months free
Orcon = $80 per month = 30GB per month

Simple...


I'm talking about the fact that Orcon's offer is permanent i.e. you pay $75 for 30GB and that is the standard price, even when the contract ends you still pay $75 for 30GB per month.

With Telstra clear their standard price is $75 plus $30 per month for 40GB of data, but the offer is that they give you the first 12 months of data for free.  In other words, after 12 months the promotion ends and your price jacks up to $105 by default.

If you are happy going through the hassle of switching ISPs every 12 months to save a few bucks then go ahead, but bear in mind that even the telstraclear offer has a $80 joining fee. 



Do you have some interest in orcon ??

nope, just making sure you are aware of the difference between the standard price and a promotional offer


This is not just "A few bucks" ....

$5/month is just a few bucks in my book. ($80 vs $75)
 In fact when I look at the website it is the same price $75 for Orcon, $75 for Telstraclear, so the price is the same. Maybe Orcon have different prices for different regions.

And who on earth cares if it goes up after 12 months ... TC will have new plans by then along with every other ISP in NZ
one can only take the offer at face value - which clearly states the 40GB is only free for 12 months.  maybe they will have something at the end of that time, maybe not.  If they do you will probably have to proactively switch to it though.

If you are kind of person who doesn't like to be shopping around every year,  then you might care that your bill jumps up to $105 automatically.  
Like I said, if you are ok with switching every 12 months then go ahead.


What on earth are you talking about ???

Its $80 on a 12 month contract... ($75 is for 18 months)

but the point you seem to be missing is that it is 40GB ... not 30GB ... which is a entire third more data for less money..

God.. pay $15 extra dollars and you can get 120GB + Tivo from Telecom...

Lets make the numbers simple

12 Month Contracts

- Telstrclear: $75 per month, 40GB (Includes 2 months free/3 if you bring your own modem)
- Telecom $95 per Month 120GB (Includes TIVO)
- Orcon: $95 per month, 40GB

Why would someone pick orcon now...

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  Reply # 605052 4-Apr-2012 13:21
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What on earth are you talking about ???

Its $80 on a 12 month contract... ($75 is for 18 months)
fair enough I missed that.  I'm sure it used to be $75 on 12 month contract




but the point you seem to be missing is that it is 40GB ... not 30GB ... which is a entire third more data for less money..

yeah but most people use less 20GB so the difference between 30 and 40GB is meaningless for them. the plan could have a terabyte and it wouldn't matter for most people.


God.. pay $15 extra dollars and you can get 120GB + Tivo from Telecom...

Lets make the numbers simple

12 Month Contracts

- Telstrclear: $75 per month, 40GB (Includes 2 months free/3 if you bring your own modem)
- Telecom $95 per Month 120GB (Includes TIVO)
- Orcon: $95 per month, 40GB

Why would someone pick orcon now...

Telecom is $105/month for 120GB which is definitely more than a few bucks difference from $75

because, as I said,  maybe they don't want the hassle of working out what to do at the ned of the 12 months with telstraclear.  with Orcon at the end of the 12 months your price and data stays the same.   with TCL the only assumption you can make is that your price jumps to $105.
Of course, at that point you are out of contract so can switch if you like - which is why I said if you are the kind of person who does't mind switching every year then it works well.

But lots of people don't want that hassle and uncertianty though, and so they might prefer Orcon for the certainty of what will happen at the end of 12 months.


Other perks might be that Orcon include call minder, caller ID, and call waiting and Telstraclear don't include any of those, and will charge you an extra $18/month if you want them ($10 for voice mail, 4 for caller id and 4 for call waiting)
Or maybe you use a lot of Quickflix or iSky and value the fact that Orcon unmeter them and TCL dont.  I've chewed through more than 15GB of quickflix in the week since it launched (movies are Hd on Bravia), so if I was with Orcon (I'm not, but if I was) it would have more than made up for the 10GB difference in datacap already.



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  Reply # 611324 18-Apr-2012 17:54
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So.. 6 pages of people defending ISPs and explaining why its not cheap and cant be cheap..

Now we have major ISPS pulling in 200-250GB @ 100 per month..


Right...

Cmon they were all taking us for a ride until telecom decided to take the first step

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  Reply # 611590 18-Apr-2012 23:42

I remember southern cross cables did dropped the pricing at the start of this year...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6268369/Trans-Tasman-cable-agreement-made

slashed the rate by half, now we're getting more than double which I assume is due to falling peak traffic usage.. anyway, better news for NZ than no news.

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  Reply # 611610 19-Apr-2012 03:36
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moxpearl: So.. 6 pages of people defending ISPs and explaining why its not cheap and cant be cheap..

Now we have major ISPS pulling in 200-250GB @ 100 per month..

Right...

Cmon they were all taking us for a ride until telecom decided to take the first step


It's not a conspiracy.

The cost of international transit per Mbit has roughly halved around every 2 years. 

If you plot a chart of ISP plan $ per GB you will see value increasing year on year, there is also are larger than normal jump due to ISP's using EUBA to provide the service and the general consensus that dimensioning of EUBA/HSNS handover most likely isn't going to happen/come into force.



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  Reply # 611644 19-Apr-2012 08:33
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Ragnor:
moxpearl: So.. 6 pages of people defending ISPs and explaining why its not cheap and cant be cheap..

Now we have major ISPS pulling in 200-250GB @ 100 per month..

Right...

Cmon they were all taking us for a ride until telecom decided to take the first step


It's not a conspiracy.

The cost of international transit per Mbit has roughly halved around every 2 years. 

If you plot a chart of ISP plan $ per GB you will see value increasing year on year, there is also are larger than normal jump due to ISP's using EUBA not to provide the service and the general consensus that dimensioning of EUBA/HSNS handover most likely isn't going to happen/come into force.





And the implications of EUBA handover dimensioning now coming into effect at the Commerce Commission regulated base rate 45kbps are quite scary..




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  Reply # 611651 19-Apr-2012 08:58
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Ragnor:
moxpearl: So.. 6 pages of people defending ISPs and explaining why its not cheap and cant be cheap..

Now we have major ISPS pulling in 200-250GB @ 100 per month..

Right...

Cmon they were all taking us for a ride until telecom decided to take the first step


It's not a conspiracy.

The cost of international transit per Mbit has roughly halved around every 2 years. 

If you plot a chart of ISP plan $ per GB you will see value increasing year on year, there is also are larger than normal jump due to ISP's using EUBA not to provide the service and the general consensus that dimensioning of EUBA/HSNS handover most likely isn't going to happen/come into force.





 

Yes but this thread + the other was full of people saying "There is more than the cost of international traffic" .. which is why they were all justifying the cost..

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