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  #3308790 13-Nov-2024 21:23
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By guessing most likely.





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  #3308851 14-Nov-2024 09:12
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Using the igpu on the 10700k would be a quick test. Its either that or the PSU is going. Hope the tech did actually test that.

For a 2060 replacement look at either the nvidia 4060 or the amd 7600. If you’re wanting a bit of an upgrade then get at least a 4060ti/4070super or 7700xt/7800xt if the budget extends.

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  #3312109 23-Nov-2024 07:48
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So this was my thought

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/user/Twalknz/saved/LFJVD3

Everything is existing except the msi 4060 ti looking at price and performance this seems to be the best value but please tell me if I'm mistaken



  #3312111 23-Nov-2024 07:55
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@Twalknz72

 

This part list is private. 


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  #3312113 23-Nov-2024 07:58
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Twalknz72: So this was my thought

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/user/Twalknz/saved/#

Everything is existing except the msi 4060 ti looking at price and performance this seems to be the best value but please tell me if I'm mistaken

 

My 2cents.

 

1) that is your personal log in, we can't see the part list

 

2) not sure what your 4060 ti pick is, so cant say if best value.

 

3) not sure your use case for GPU so don't know if it is overkill, underkill or just like goldilocks and her porridge, just right.

 

Used PB-tech as the price point for GPU's.
If you are looking at price for performance then the 4060 ti, loses out to the 4060RTX and RX7600.

 

Take average 15 game benchmark from here

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/2701-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060/

 

Note: $/frame changes if prices are different, this is to give a reference of price per frame.

 

4060 
$500 
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGAASU340600A/ASUS-DUAL-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4060-OC-8GB-GDDR6-Gra

 

1080p 91 frames average
$5.49 per frame

 

1440p 61 frame average
$8.20 per frame

 

4060 Ti 
$649
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGAGLX040610/GALAX-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4060-Ti-1-Click-OC-8GB-GD

 

1080p 111 frames average
$5.86 per

 

1440p 78 frame average
$8.32 per frame

 

AMD RX 7600
$458.85
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGASAP27600/Sapphire-PULSE-AMD-Radeon-RX-7600-Gaming-8GB-GDDR6

 

1080p 88 frames average
$5.21 per

 

1440p 62 frame average
$7.40 per frame

 

The RX 7600 is the best bang for the buck in terms of cost per frame, however, it doesn't have DLSS and other NVIDIA tech, so if you want that, they will rule out the RX 7600.

 

The standard 4060 is the 2nd best in terms of bang for buck, however, if you are aiming for 120fps over 60fps, $ per frame kind of goes out the window and it is, the more you spend the better you will be solid at 120 fps.

 

 


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  #3312127 23-Nov-2024 09:25
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CRYORIG H5 Ultimate XF140 CPU Cooler With 140mm Fan,Breaking Design Molds Efficiency by Innovation, Jet Fin Acceleration System 168.3mm Height, for Intel 2066, 2011(-3), 1200, 1150, 1151, 1155, 1156, for AMD FM1, FM2/+, AM2/+, AM3/+, AM4 (MPN: CR-H5B)



The above we've replaced the 500GB Kingston HD with a 2 TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus

The 4060 ti were looking at us this one

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGAMSI440620/MSI-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4060-Ti-VENTUS-2X-Black-16G

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  #3312128 23-Nov-2024 09:35
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why a 10700K? its 4 years old now


 
 
 

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  #3312130 23-Nov-2024 09:43
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Jase2985:

 

why a 10700K? its 4 years old now

 

 

It's what they already have, not buying new. 

 

GPU wise, yeah don't go for the 16GB 4060 Ti, it is bait, it is the same performance as the 8GB 4060 Ti for a huge mark up for no extra performance!

 

The extra Vram in this card do not really help it, if you are wanting more performance and vram you need to either go higher i.e 4070 super or look at AMD GPU's.

 

Your cost performance goes from 

 

1080p $5.86 per frame To $7.20 per frame

 

1440p $8.32 per frame to $10.24 per frame. 

 

 

 

I say this as someone that has a 7900 XTX with 24GB vram.

 

The 16GB 4060 ti is not good value at $799.00

 

 


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  #3312140 23-Nov-2024 11:12
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Thank you so much. I saw the 16 and thought it should be better but that's why I come to y'all and ask.

I've done the side by side GPU comparison

https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-4060-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070-SUPER

It looks like the standard 4060 say this one

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGAASU340600A/ASUS-DUAL-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4060-OC-8GB-GDDR6-Gra

Is better value, performance, for money? Would y'all agree with that?


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  #3312145 23-Nov-2024 11:31
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Twalknz72: It's the GPU. Thank you for all your help. Looks like we'll be watching the black Friday sales. Any suggestions for a new GPU would be fantastic.

 

 

 

How did they determine it was a GPU hardware issue? ie: Did they switch to the integrated GPU on the CPU, did they try it in another PC, did they try clean reinstall of the GPU drivers etc? Did you get temperature monitoring working and run a benchmark like furmark?

 

 


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  #3312160 23-Nov-2024 13:19
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Twalknz72: Thank you so much. I saw the 16 and thought it should be better but that's why I come to y'all and ask.

I've done the side by side GPU comparison

https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-4060-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070-SUPER

It looks like the standard 4060 say this one

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGAASU340600A/ASUS-DUAL-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4060-OC-8GB-GDDR6-Gra

Is better value, performance, for money? Would y'all agree with that?

 

Yup it is the standard 4060 in that benchmark. 

 

If you are happy with the numbers then, it is the best bang for buck from Nvidia at the moment.

 

RTX 5000 release date is January 2025, based on rumor and speculation, so depending on how long you want to wait, you could pick up a 5060 next year. 


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  #3312197 23-Nov-2024 15:42
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Ragnor:

 

Twalknz72: It's the GPU. Thank you for all your help. Looks like we'll be watching the black Friday sales. Any suggestions for a new GPU would be fantastic.

 

How did they determine it was a GPU hardware issue? ie: Did they switch to the integrated GPU on the CPU, did they try it in another PC, did they try clean reinstall of the GPU drivers etc? Did you get temperature monitoring working and run a benchmark like furmark?

 

 

Like Ragnor, I am curious as to how the Tech Serviceman ascertained that it was the GPU causing your problem seeing it only happened with certain gaming titles.
It's unlikey he would have had a similar card in his vehicle to swap it out and check if that solved the problem (but still a possibility) as is also unlikely he having a similar PC setup in his van to try the 2060 in it.
Perhaps you'd like to share what was his/her reasoning for the diagnosis before he/she gave you the bill? 😀
You'll be highly tee'd off if you spend $500 only to find you're still in the same situation.

 

TC

 


 


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  #3312200 23-Nov-2024 16:17
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So the tech was able to diagnose the GPU problem from a number of tests they, and I on advise by y'all, has run. The computer was shutting down whenever the GPU was under stress. It would frequently pop up with a request to update /reinstall the GPU driver and it, now, has escalated to all games. It won't run any GPU test more than a few seconds before the test shuts down. So if it's not that then we'll just be going forward with an upgrade to the machine, structured around the new GPU, anyways as it is a 4 year old computer.

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  #3312203 23-Nov-2024 16:39
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Twalknz72: So the tech was able to diagnose the GPU problem from a number of tests they, and I on advise by y'all, has run. The computer was shutting down whenever the GPU was under stress. It would frequently pop up with a request to update /reinstall the GPU driver and it, now, has escalated to all games. It won't run any GPU test more than a few seconds before the test shuts down. So if it's not that then we'll just be going forward with an upgrade to the machine, structured around the new GPU, anyways as it is a 4 year old computer.

 

Ta.... that satisfies the curiosity!!

One has a suspicious mind sometimes of expert technicians. 
Situation: 2008 Fiat Punto - Intermittent starting problems over 12 month period
Fiat Dealer diagnosis: All computer tests show no problem. $350 
Fiat Specialist garage diagnosis: New starter motor required. $750 spent
Auto Electrician(s) First one diagnosis: Can't find any problem (no charge) 
Second one diagnosis: $14 relay, 1 hour labour...... all fixed.

 

Good luck with your GPU journey!

 

TC


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  #3312215 23-Nov-2024 17:33
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Oh I completely get it. Our mechanic we have now I trust but only because my husband knows a thing or two about vehicles and our mechanic knows it.

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