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#351860 15-Jul-2010 13:28

I use the Signet boxs quite a lot as home owners prefer the inwall solution. However I normally dont purchase the modules that go in them as the 8way cat5e module is simply too small unless a small unit house, and the old type of phone module (like shown by the OP) is totally stupid.

I normally just purchase the box and add a 16 or 24port 19" patch panel (fits ST2000 vertically) with the brackets for 19" panels that ST sell. I also use the new ST2206 which I designed for them, it incorporates the DSL filter, test socket, security loop and phone patching, it also sports a telepermit.

To the OP I would not get the person who installed this back to sort it, they obviously have no idea.

RJ11 plugs should not be used in RJ45 sockets if you intend to use that socket for ethernet in future, the outer pins will get damaged, although some RJ11's have groves in their shoulders to prevent this damage, they are now mandatory in some countries (ie Aussie) to prevent this damage.

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#352104 15-Jul-2010 21:17

Hehe you guys would hate me.....we built last year and put in no box at all. The builder's network sparky was about to do it, and asked how I wanted it configured. I asked him what it was and what it was for. He couldn't tell me a damned thing other than "it'll future proof you". Told him to stick it back in his van.

The only thing I could get out of him or the builder later was that it would allow me to switch any outlet in the house from being network to phone. Is there something more to it than that that I'm missing??

Now I dunno about you guys but I only have one phone, I've only ever had one phone, and I'll only ever have one phone. In fact at the moment we have VOIP, so as far as the wiring is concerned we have no phone. SO we just ran a couple lines cat cabling from the central point (walk-in pantry) to every likely outlet in the house. Same for coax. Job done.

Anything beyond that just seemed like unnecessary complication....and 18 months later I haven't changed my mind *shrug*

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#352107 15-Jul-2010 21:23

MG1976:
sbiddle:
At the end of the day the Signet units are a waste of money and are poorly specced,

Can you please elaborate? What is a better alternative?

See Cyril7's post above.

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#352866 18-Jul-2010 01:21

smac: Hehe you guys would hate me.....we built last year and put in no box at all. The builder's network sparky was about to do it, and asked how I wanted it configured. I asked him what it was and what it was for. He couldn't tell me a damned thing other than "it'll future proof you". Told him to stick it back in his van.

The only thing I could get out of him or the builder later was that it would allow me to switch any outlet in the house from being network to phone. Is there something more to it than that that I'm missing??

Now I dunno about you guys but I only have one phone, I've only ever had one phone, and I'll only ever have one phone. In fact at the moment we have VOIP, so as far as the wiring is concerned we have no phone. SO we just ran a couple lines cat cabling from the central point (walk-in pantry) to every likely outlet in the house. Same for coax. Job done.

Anything beyond that just seemed like unnecessary complication....and 18 months later I haven't changed my mind *shrug*

So you are using a walkin pantry instead of a wall cabinet, we dont mind as long as you dont get just in the sockets.

The sparkie probably had a few things in the cabinet that you now installed directly to the pantry, but it might be useful to lock down the pantry to prevent people fiddling with your wiring. You do need a point where you can disconnect all house wiring and plug iin your modem or phone directly to a test jack. Hopefully you have that in there as well!

Time to find a new industry!

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#353742 20-Jul-2010 08:31

As I said, you'll hate me

Wall plate with ADSL and a couple RJ45 sockets mounted on the wall (yes I did get a splitter installed). Remaining cat cabling tied up inside the wall until it's needed. Rounter plugs into ADSL, and back into RJ45's to provide network to study and HTPC. That's it.

What else do I apparently need, and who am I worried about messing with my cabling?! I would say just having wall plates it's a hell of a lot more tamper proof than a cabinet with jumpers in it. The worst someone can do is unplug the router or switch it off. Don't really understand the concern.

So, ADSL socket is a direct line to the splitter, I have no idea if this meets the test socket requirement.

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#359669 30-Jul-2010 11:12

Alrighty, settled in our new home now :)

I currently have my Linksys modem/router hooked up by...

PABX master coming out of RJ45 socket, BT-RJ11 to modem/router.

The sparky didnt really know much about the Signet ST2000 box upstairs but said that the way I am hooked up now I am using the voice line? If I put a modem/router by the ST2000 and hooked it up I should get faster speeds???

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#359717 30-Jul-2010 11:36

Ideally you should have the modem located in the cabinet and then use the data sockets for ethernet from the router. Because the unit had been wired up incorrectly you won't be able to do this until the wiring is fixed.

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#359739 30-Jul-2010 11:49

The wiring has been done incorrectly?

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#359996 30-Jul-2010 15:11

ShellNZ: The wiring has been done incorrectly?

Yes!!! Have they not fixed it up from the original photos that you posted?

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#360218 30-Jul-2010 18:49

ShellNZ: Alrighty, settled in our new home now :)

I currently have my Linksys modem/router hooked up by...

PABX master coming out of RJ45 socket, BT-RJ11 to modem/router.

The sparky didnt really know much about the Signet ST2000 box upstairs but said that the way I am hooked up now I am using the voice line? If I put a modem/router by the ST2000 and hooked it up I should get faster speeds???

I would say something got lost in the translation there, or the new sparkie is not a comms guy either. The point with structured wiring is that you should not ever be presented with a mess thats hard to follow, and should be able to connect any service to a room in a few seconds just by plugging a cable into the socket labelled as being for that room. Its supposed to be paint-by-numbers for the end user, so if your kids need an extra data line for their mates computer you can patch their spare phone outlet to internet — just like that.

Time to find a new industry!

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#360227 30-Jul-2010 18:56

Just wondering....if I do this, will it in fact improve my speeds?

At this point its not necessary for me to have net at every RJ45 port throughout the house, the only other thing I have other than main PC is my laptop which of course connects wirelessly.

I need my router at my desk to plug in PC's that I work on. I do however have another router that I can use if it will better my speed.

Unfortunately none of the cables appear to be labelled so it would be a matter of testing which is which.

The sparkie does not sound like a comms guy unfort :( If its not wired correctly (chucking router up there and "plugging in") then I would have to get someone in who knows how the ST2000 works.

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#360250 30-Jul-2010 19:08

Hi, from what I read it sounds like you need a data savey cabler to sort it out, most "sparkies" have no idea, that said some do, but from what you say todate you have not got the right solution.

Makeing the cabling right may improve the speeds, if its done correctly then it should be as good as it gets with no compromise, does you current sparkie understand how to sort that or test and undestand the results?

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#360285 30-Jul-2010 19:42

Honestly? no I dont think sparkie does.

Who would I contact if I wanted to set it up properly? or how would I go about doing it myself?

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#360418 30-Jul-2010 21:43

ShellNZ: Honestly? no I dont think sparkie does.

Who would I contact if I wanted to set it up properly? or how would I go about doing it myself?

I would go back to the people who installed it and complain.

At the end of the day you purchased a new home and paid for this system. It was installed incorrectly by somebody who has no knowledge of how it should be done.

If the electrician doesn't know what they're doing they shouldn't be installing the equipment. End of story.

You shouldn't have to be paying extra or getting anybody else in to do this.

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#360422 30-Jul-2010 21:52

What town is this in

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