New home cabling confusion!!!

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Reply # 363589 5-Aug-2010 12:18

sbiddle:
jjnz1:
JimmyLizar:
jjnz1: He used RJ45 jacks as termination points because they cost about $10 each, whereas phone jacks cost around $30.

So in summary, I do not not agree with his use of RJ45 outlets, .......

I used RJ45 room TO's throughout my house (new build). Can't see why you would use BT TO's, save for the fact they have dust cover.

Just a matter of purchasing the correct cables to connect equipment to the TO's.

I disagree with using the RJ45 jack in this situation because it is clearly not a structured cabling installation.
It would also create more headaches for most clients out there who wonder why they can not simply plug in their phone. There is clearly no other use apart from the phone for the cabling that's installed in @SHELLNZ's house. I wonder if he installed cat5e to the TV jacks?

RJ45's should be installed as this is a structured install. No logical reason exists to install BT's.

The problem is that the cat6e cable should be terminated on the patch panel and not the voice panel. There are Signet 110 to RJ45 jumper leads that connect from the voice board to the patch panel to allow you to patch voice across and you would also connect your cat5e cables from your router/switch to the patch panel for data.

Can you regard it as a structured install? There are only 8 outlets, one to each room i'm guessing plus the kitchen, lounge etc. I know it should have RJ45 outlets, but because of the minimal cable runs, what can the end user really do with it apart from plug in a phone?

Of course, I (or you) could go in there, send a 100Mbit network down it as well, or use baluns to send down HDMI/component signals, but that would involve changing the termination wiring/plate- something most end users can not do therefore will have to call a professional in.

If there was a termination point like a patch panel, with lots more cables run to each outlet point to allow for a dedicated service on each cable, and the panel was clearly labeled, then the user could with education do it themselves.

I just think in this situation, and given @SHELLNZ's limited indepth knowledge (i mean this is not your area of expertise), I would recommend BT jacks. I'm sure @SHELLNZ doesnt want to call a sparky every time a new phone is purchased, and they have run out/lost the adapters/fly leads.

Most clients can't even connect a tv set up properly without help, @SHELLNZ's situation is much more difficult.

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Reply # 363610 5-Aug-2010 12:48

*sigh*

Very true, this is certainly not my area of expertise, I know all the ins & outs of PC's but not networking (to this extent). Wish I did of course then I would do it all myself :(

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Reply # 363711 5-Aug-2010 15:34

I can get some RJ45 phone leads for you if that makes it easier...

This is structured wiring because home runs and generic outlets run back to a distribution panel. However, it is not "data wiring" because the cabling simply runs back to a mess terminated directly on the phone module without any way to patch chosen outlets to data.

This means it is not FIT FOR PURPOSE under both the Consumer Guarantees Act and Sale Of Goods act. You can show before and after pictures to a disputes tribunal, point out what has changed, and claim the cost of repairs since they refused to fix it themselves. You were sold data wiring and should demand it. Ask the repair man for a letter stating what was unsuitable to be used for data, and present that to the tribunal.

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Reply # 363875 5-Aug-2010 20:18

jjnz1:
Can you regard it as a structured install? There are only 8 outlets, one to each room i'm guessing plus the kitchen, lounge etc. I know it should have RJ45 outlets, but because of the minimal cable runs, what can the end user really do with it apart from plug in a phone?

Your idea of "structured" cabling oviously differs significantly to most other people in the industry.

This system is not really the size you would ideally install in a house that size but at the end of the day delivers the exact same results enabling somebody to use data, phone or devices such as baluns to transfer video between any RJ45 socket in the house.

In this case the end user can plug their PC in to any data ports anywhere in the house they want. Their ADSL modem should be located in the cabinet and they can then have an ethernet port anywhere in the house they want. It sounds to me like you're thinking they should still only be using the 8 cables for phone and locating their ADSL modem next to their PC and using plug in filters on every phone in the house?

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Reply # 366211 11-Aug-2010 13:06

You cant have 8 phones in a house without a second line anyway. ShellNZ, you need to start by choosing where to have data locations, test which cable is which, and move the required cable to the patch panel (so you can patch those locations to your modem).

Next you can decide if the phone locations also need data, and whether this can be achieved by running new cables or by split wiring in those locations. You can easily put a phone/data splitter on both the jack and patch panel, in which case those cables would also move to the patch panel and a pigtail from the splitter gets punched down back to the phone panel.

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Reply # 373050 26-Aug-2010 11:13

Just an update

Had sparky out on Tuesday and he wired up master bedroom and downstairs bedroom to both get net.

I went out and purchased gigabit adapter (for PC, laptop already has one), WAG320N gigabit router and TP-Link 1005D switch.

Hooked it all up, router downstairs here at PC, switch up by hub. Sparky made it so I have to have a RJ45 running from router to RJ45 ethernet socket which then runs up to one of the ports in the hub. RJ45 cable from that port to switch, then more RJ45's from switches to master & downstairs bedrooms.

It all works, even tho the bedrooms only pickup 100mbit signal (orange), whereas if I plug laptop directly into switch upstairs its gigabit (green).

This whole shebang has been a shambles (starting with the the fact its not an ST2000 as advertised) and has cost me.

I have rung Fyfe and they will hopefully be footing the bill for the sparky being that we thought when we bought this home it was all ready to go to walk into a room and plug in and get what we are supposed to get (once router setup was done ofc).

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Reply # 373122 26-Aug-2010 14:00

Ummmm, the 1005D is only a 100Mb/s switch (unless I am mistaken) so it will only pass that, hence your laptop that as I read it connects via that switch is only ever going to connect at 100Mb/s, or maybe I read it wrong.

Anyway good you got it sorted.

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Reply # 373125 26-Aug-2010 14:06

This is what I bought...

http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?item=SWHTPL1007

I read it as gig switch? When I hook laptop directly into it, it goes green.

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Reply # 373126 26-Aug-2010 14:08

To be exact....I have checked out all the ports...

Laptop in Master Bedroom = 10Mbps
Laptop in downstairs bedroom = 100Mbps
Laptop straight into hub = 100Mbps
Laptop straight into switch = 1Gbps
Laptop straight into router = 1Gbps

Laptop Wireless = 150Mbps anywhere

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Reply # 373127 26-Aug-2010 14:13

Hi, ok my mistake so you should be able to get GigE at all places.

As I understand you have only one port in the downstairs bedroom, correct? And therefore there must be on the single connection the ADSL phone circuit, and an ethernet line back to the hub, correct?, if so it will only ever pass 100Mb/s, but maybe I have read wrong what you have.

If you want GigE everywhere, then you are best to have the router at the hub so you dont need to share the cable to the bedroom with DSL and ethernet.

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Reply # 373129 26-Aug-2010 14:16

2 ports at both Master Bdrm & downstairs bedroom

One for phone, one for net

I did have a wee think as to whether I could put the router up at the hub and have the switch down here so I could still connect the computers that come in via wired. But I think that since he has sent the signal backwards (RJ45 from router to lounge RJ45 port which then gets sent up to that hub port) it wont be possible now.

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Reply # 373131 26-Aug-2010 14:17

yep, put everything in the cabinet.
make sure bedroom outlets are patched to the gig switch in the cabinet.

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Reply # 373133 26-Aug-2010 14:18

ShellNZ: 2 ports at both Master Bdrm & downstairs bedroom

One for phone, one for net

I did have a wee think as to whether I could put the router up at the hub and have the switch down here so I could still connect the computers that come in via wired. But I think that since he has sent the signal backwards (RJ45 from router to lounge RJ45 port which then gets sent up to that hub port) it wont be possible now.

i'm lost! draw a diagram for us!!

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Reply # 373134 26-Aug-2010 14:19

Ummmm, you say 2ports, but do they share one cable or have a cable each. Yes diagram please and a close up photo of the RJ45 8way patch panel in the hub would help

Cyril

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Reply # 373136 26-Aug-2010 14:25

/me gets out her ruler and protractor, hehe, bbs

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