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#373250 26-Aug-2010 17:48

Yes it appears that only one feed per room. Purhaps Shelley may have to forgo GigE in say the kitchen where a cordless basestation would be, does he need ethernet at all ports?.

But as I think we all agree, fully wire patch port to TO, use external splitters if you want to dual service a run, at least then you know what each port can do and can go to any other config without tools.

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#373255 26-Aug-2010 17:55

I am a sparky by trade, and this is poor fit off skills.

I am shocked that someone could be happy with walking away from a job looking this did/does, I would not accept those terminations from 1st yr apprentice.

I wish there was more of a rulebook on structured cable in homes, I normally run at least two cat 5es to any plate being installed.

I know from other sparkys that data is sometimes not their thing, they stick to power points and lights, yet they still get the job of running and install the data side, if they are not interested or not really skilled on data this happens.

I wish there was some kind of certification/ registration needed for phone and data to keep the standards up. it will help out in the long term

I hope you get this sorted out and it working the way you want/expect it to. Sorry for this bad work from another Electrician

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#373266 26-Aug-2010 18:12

Johnk: I am a sparky by trade, and this is poor fit off skills.

I am shocked that someone could be happy with walking away from a job looking this did/does, I would not accept those terminations from 1st yr apprentice.

I wish there was more of a rulebook on structured cable in homes, I normally run at least two cat 5es to any plate being installed.

I know from other sparkys that data is sometimes not their thing, they stick to power points and lights, yet they still get the job of running and install the data side, if they are not interested or not really skilled on data this happens.

I wish there was some kind of certification/ registration needed for phone and data to keep the standards up. it will help out in the long term

I hope you get this sorted out and it working the way you want/expect it to. Sorry for this bad work from another Electrician

This is exactly what the industry is trying to do, we have been trying to get the "buy in" from every one as we feel it's a major issue going forward, but it's just a recommended self regulated code of practice, but in the end it comes down to quality of work, and these pictures show not a lot of that I'm afraid

http://www.tcf.org.nz/content/dc07abcd-21f8-4288-b55b-6f861bdd4d02.html

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#373271 26-Aug-2010 18:21

I could help you fix it if you like, send me a pvt.

The wires need to be tidy as well as correctly connected. At least sparky did some half hearted labels... which leads me to ask if the untwisted orange pair to the kitchen is the one causing slowdown to 10M?? This really looks like such a disaster, and I would say all jacks probably should be re-terminated too.

I can't see why they couldn't run 2 cables to each room since split services are messy and take more time anyway. Problem with this setup is that your phone module has punchdowns for solid wires so solid wires need to use "solid" plugs if going into adapters, but at least would be easier to follow.

I hope you didnt pay the guy to fix it! It should be a free repair under the Consumer Guarantees Act, and you would also be entitled to claim all repair costs now they have failed to repair it properly on the second visit.

Time to find a new industry!

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#373279 26-Aug-2010 18:28

Shelley, if I was you I would be going back to Fletcher Residential and speaking to someone high up in that organisation. This reflects very poorly on them, after all it is their sub-contractor that has done this shocking job. I am sure they would want to know how badly they are being let down by a useless sparky.

The electrician clearly has no idea what they are doing. I could have done a better job and I am just an average joe who has done a bit of research.

I would also explain that you expect them to find an appropriately skilled technician and pay them to install the system (the one you paid for) correctly.

If they refuse, find someone skilled to re-do the job and then shell out $30 and file a claim with the Disputes Tribunal for the cost of rectifying the work. Easy win, just involves a bit of time.

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#373298 26-Aug-2010 19:00

maverick:
Johnk: I am a sparky by trade, and this is poor fit off skills.

I am shocked that someone could be happy with walking away from a job looking this did/does, I would not accept those terminations from 1st yr apprentice.

I wish there was more of a rulebook on structured cable in homes, I normally run at least two cat 5es to any plate being installed.

I know from other sparkys that data is sometimes not their thing, they stick to power points and lights, yet they still get the job of running and install the data side, if they are not interested or not really skilled on data this happens.

I wish there was some kind of certification/ registration needed for phone and data to keep the standards up. it will help out in the long term

I hope you get this sorted out and it working the way you want/expect it to. Sorry for this bad work from another Electrician

This is exactly what the industry is trying to do, we have been trying to get the "buy in" from every one as we feel it's a major issue going forward, but it's just a recommended self regulated code of practice, but in the end it comes down to quality of work, and these pictures show not a lot of that I'm afraid

http://www.tcf.org.nz/content/dc07abcd-21f8-4288-b55b-6f861bdd4d02.html

Bit off topic but there are a couple of problems with the TCF standard that I think have to be resolved before anything gets turned into a code.

1) It should not be so specific about location of the distribution cabinet, but specify measures required for different types of locations eg far away from telecom entrypoint or on external wall etc;

2) Not every install needs to be verified with a printout from a $1000 tester, and technical clients willing to pay for them can demand such tests without being mandatory and becoming a "barrier to market entry" for cablers that want to upskill;

3) requirements for coax will become out-or-date as UTP starts to take over for A/V distribution, so the standard should specify outcomes instead of specific grades of RG6. Actual satellite feeds are described quite well in the standard, but the standard could suggest that Cat5e might be an A/V cable option in some situations;

4) the standard should suggest possible applications for cable that need to be discussed with customer, instead of simply specifying minimum number of cables to rooms; documentation requirements should suggest a more comprehensive format that would meet requirements.

Time to find a new industry!

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#373299 26-Aug-2010 19:01

nbroad:
JimmyLizar: (whats happened to the blue pair?

i think he's punched the blue pair up on the voice block so he's sending voice down the blue pair??

Yip - which is wrong. Nothing should be punched down on the voice module. All cat5e should be terminated on the patch panel with jumper leads that go from the 110's to the RJ45.

I'd be demanding that the construction company take action - this really is a shocking level of work that is totally shameful.

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#373309 26-Aug-2010 19:15

1) It should not be so specific about location of the distribution cabinet, but specify measures required for different types of locations eg far away from telecom entrypoint or on external wall etc;

I know this is all off topic, but I totally agree on this one, in many homes where telecom want you to put the home distributor is typically on an outside wall, very close to the mains entry, and normally very close to a large open door with a poor seal (ie garage door), all of these things are in total contradiction to previous PTC's and generally recognized good practice from most countries.

I totally understand why they would want to specify this location as it suits them with regard to minimal fibre encroachment, but they should explain more relaxed allowances where the ONT goes in this garage setting with power, two cat5 runs and a coax going off to a more sensibly placed home hub under the stairs or someother more acceptable central location.

I have take this issue up on several meetings with the likes of Telepermit, and while they totally agree they seem powerless to make change to the TCF. Regardless I continue to do as I see fit, if anyone wishs to disagree I will happily raise a finger, they have worse issues to deal with as we see here today.

Cyril

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#377252 6-Sep-2010 19:57

Hi Shelley, just checking if there is any conclusion or progress with this.

Cheers
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#377274 6-Sep-2010 21:04

Hiya guys....

Well I spoke to Fyfe Homes over a week ago about paying for sparky to come out and put new connections etc in, about gigabit connection, and also the fact that I didnt have an ST2000 as advertised. He said he would look into it with sparky and let me know.

Last week we got a bill from sparky for the installation of a powerpoint when we first moved in. We didnt however get a bill for the 3.5hrs job he did doing connections to the 2 rooms. I am wondering whether Fyfe Homes have told him to "send the bill" to them, as one would think they would send the 2 bills together.

I will give him a call tomorrow tho as I still want the cables/box cleaned up better than what it is.

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#377387 7-Sep-2010 08:57

ShellNZ: I will give him a call tomorrow tho as I still want the cables/box cleaned up better than what it is.

please don't get the same sparky back!!! ask the company if they can send out a data cabling contractor to sort it out once and for all.

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#377397 7-Sep-2010 09:16

Yep, certainly wasnt going to get same sparky back, heh

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#378417 9-Sep-2010 23:13

I had a go at some place that was selling "future proof buildings" stuff with a 100 meg switch in a cabinet like that. How is that futureproof I asked when its already obsolete? Duuuuuuuuuuuh was the answer.

Someone needs to beat the building industry with the cluestick about this carryon.

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#420732 22-Dec-2010 23:25

OK.....I know yer not all gonna believe this but Im going to add another contraption to the works, hehe.

The Linksys WAG320N wireless is not working so well since it has been upstairs, hubby has to pretty much stand on one leg with his left arm in the air and hold the laptop with other hand to get a good signal. iPhone well and truly struggles as well.

Decided to grab another router/switch to add to the mix so got the TP-Link TL-WR1043ND (300Mbps Ultimate Wireless N Gigabit router).

Fiddled around for a couple of hours but dont seem to be able to get it.

Will keep Linksys at 192.168.1.1 and unfort the TP-Link uses same default so have changed it to 192.168.2.1, well I think I have anyways as at one point I did get access to the config page and changed it in the LAN settings.

So I also turn off DHCP on the Linksys correct? And put the cable into a lan port instead of WAN so its effectively acting like a bridge to the TP-Link?

Cheers for any and all help again fellas :) Promise I wont bother you all again for the rest of the year!!!!

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#420789 23-Dec-2010 07:45

Hi Shelly and seasons greetings. using two different class C subnets is a bit akward, I would have thought you should use an address for the TPlink like 192.168.1.250 or if you modify the DHCP servers range to start higher (like .20) then the TPlink could be 192.168.1.2 making it easily accessible, probably the .250 is easiest to do.

Normally I turn the DHCP in the remote wireless AP off (ie your TPlink) so that the main modem/gateway performs address lease functions. Oh and yes use the the LAN port not WAN port on the TPlink, ie create a layer2 network not layer3

Cyril

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