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#1001127 8-Mar-2014 09:26

Oh ok ive never known the difference sorry ^^. Just googled it and i think i mean that i download at 1Mbps (megabit) and upload at half that speed (so takes twice as long to upload the same file id download). So if i download a video file thats 300Mb it takes about 5 or 6 minutes to download.
Im only measuring it by downloading in various ways in which im quite positive that its giving me max speeds, mainly the most popular torrent file at that time or by using IDM for downloads which i feel gives max download speeds as well and using "file uploder" by z-o-o-m.eu which im positive maxs out the upload speed.
Is there a better method i can use to confirm max speds?

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#1001129 8-Mar-2014 09:34

b = bit
B = byte

8 bits in a byte, so the case of "b" makes all the difference. A byte is 8 times bigger than a bit.

A bit or byte is a measurement of size (like kilometer is measurement of length). To make it a speed, you need to define a time that size is measured for i.e. bits per second (kilometers per hour).

Your connection sync speed is about 16Mb/s (megabits per second). In the real world, you would probably see a download speed of about 1.7MB/s (megabytes per second) for that sync speed under ideal conditions.

Hope that helps!

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#1001152 8-Mar-2014 09:49

Heres the article i read. Its very short. The part that is clear to me which i got out of it is the paragraph above the graph with the "movie" example.
http://www.ronstauffer.com/blog/your-internet-speed-megabits-vs-megabytes/#axzz2vJHCRcTB

In his example he downloads a 3.6 gigabytes movie in 40 minutes at 12Mbps download speed. So using that example it would take me 12x longer to download that same file and 24x longer to upload it (and i know that much for sure coz ive attempted it before ^^"). I download at 1Mbps according to that example. Does that speed sound right for me?

Or if you can point me to a file to download i can tell you how long it takes perhaps? (im still a little confused ^^")

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#1001162 8-Mar-2014 10:27

Your ISP is Orcon.
To test your speed go to: http://speedtest.orcon.net.nz/
or to: https://www.speedtest.net/
These will give you your up/down speeds in Mbps (mega bits per second).

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#1001167 8-Mar-2014 10:35

Ok using the Orcon speed test the results were:

Last Result:
Download Speed: 15479 kbps (1934.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4372 kbps (546.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 38 ms
Saturday, March 08, 2014 10:31:24 AM

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#1001172 8-Mar-2014 10:44

xxguestxx: Ok using the Orcon speed test the results were:

Last Result:
Download Speed: 15479 kbps (1934.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4372 kbps (546.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 38 ms
Saturday, March 08, 2014 10:31:24 AM

Those results are perfectly consistent with the sync rates of the modem - that's a good thing!

Your sync rates look fine, considering you are outside (just) the area that you should be able to get VDSL, so your connection is never going to be excellent.

The instal (based on the description and photos) looks to have been done very well.

With DLM over the next few days, I expect your connection may improve slightly more, but only time will tell.

I guess there's 2 issues for you though

1) ADSL may give you a lower latency (ping) at the expense of a lower speed. This may be important to you if you do a lot of online gaming or other intensive real time work.

2) Download speed of movies etc. at less than your line sync rate - not much that can be done with this, regardless of the type of connection you have. It is most likely that there is simply a bottleneck somewhere between you and the server it's coming from that is out of your control. If you really want to chase this, you'll need to read up on tools like traceroute, and start doing some testing there. Even if the exact issue is found, there's not much chance of having any influence on it though!

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#1001175 8-Mar-2014 10:47

xxguestxx: Ok using the Orcon speed test the results were:

Last Result:
Download Speed: 15479 kbps (1934.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4372 kbps (546.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 38 ms
Saturday, March 08, 2014 10:31:24 AM

This is 15Mbps down, 4Mbps up - which is a poor result by VDSL standards - and is typical of VDSL speeds in locations outside the fringe of a VDSL zone.
Note that your up speed is FOUR TIMES FASTER than ADSL, but your down speed is THE SAME as ADSL.
Check and record this speed daily for 10 days - if it doesn't improve, you have the option of rolling back to ADSL, like I did.

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#1001176 8-Mar-2014 10:49

So your getting what, 1.8mb/s down there (using mb/s since that is the measurement you have used throughout the thread)
That's bordering close on 2MB/s.

Think you need to redo your math in your example, as your getting 15.4mbit vs 12mbit.

now that im on a computer again, for a 3.6GB movie, it would take... about 33Mins assuming you are maxing the line.

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#1001186 8-Mar-2014 11:16

@RunningMan-
Yea your right about "1) ADSL may give you a lower latency (ping) at the expense of a lower speed. This may be important to you if you do a lot of online gaming or other intensive real time work."
That certainly seems to be the case. Yet my primary reason for changing over to VDSL was for increased download and upload speeds (for files) more so than gaming ping.

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I agree. 4x faster upload is a huge improvement and i think i can live with it. It makes what i am doing online almost worth the effort as opposed to the ADSL upload speed which just wasnt worth the long waiting times to upload files.

@hio77-
Yea that 12Mb example wasnt my speed. It was the speed the guy was getting in his example. In that example it took him 40 mins to download a blueray rip of 3.3 gigabyites. And i know if i attempted that on my connection (from experience) it would take me approx 12x as long...seeing as i download at 1Mbps.

Even though im not somewhat clear on all the differnet terminologys i know one thing for sure. With IDM i download at 1Mbps (hope thats the correct term but surely you guys know what im trying to say by now) and upload files at 500kbps.

So if that sounds about right according to:
Last Result:
Download Speed: 15479 kbps (1934.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4372 kbps (546.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 38 ms

then i can live with it :)

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#1001188 8-Mar-2014 11:23

xxguestxx:
@hio77-
Yea that 12Mb example wasnt my speed. It was the speed the guy was getting in his example. In that example it took him 40 mins to download a blueray rip of 3.3 gigabyites. And i know if i attempted that on my connection (from experience) it would take me approx 12x as long...seeing as i download at 1Mbps.

Even though im not somewhat clear on all the differnet terminologys i know one thing for sure. With IDM i download at 1Mbps (hope thats the correct term but surely you guys know what im trying to say by now) and upload files at 500kbps.

So if that sounds about right according to:
Last Result:
Download Speed: 15479 kbps (1934.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 4372 kbps (546.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 38 ms

then i can live with it :)

no, once again your wrong. your getting 15.1Mbit compared to the example of 12Mbit. it would take you 13.2% less time, your being only a 33min load time (assuming your maxing you line once again.)

for you, the numbers you work in (1Mbps being 1MB/s in our words) pay attention to the second part of the readings "1934.9 KB/sec transfer rate" this means you can transfer at 1935KB/second or 1.88MB/s if your maxing you line.

i think you may find your issue with only getting 1MB/s on IDM is between your ISP and the end point your downloading off.

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#1001214 8-Mar-2014 11:53

I think i understand. Heres a pic i took using IDM showing file size of download, the download speed i seem to max out at and the time it will take....just to give a definite idea of what im experiencing:

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#1001216 8-Mar-2014 11:54

humour me, try this file.

http://zeus.jetstream.co.nz/450M.bin

i suspect you might be dealing with a filedropper host inwhich limit speed to 1MB/s.

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#1001221 8-Mar-2014 11:58

The peak speed you are seeing is nothing to do with your DSL connection speed - the bottleneck is somewhere upstream from you.

What's under that "Speed Limiter" tab?

Do you have an option to increase the number of concurrent download streams to use more of your available bandwidth?

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#1001234 8-Mar-2014 12:02

Oh that download gave a much higher speed =O

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#1001235 8-Mar-2014 12:04

xxguestxx: Oh that download gave a much higher speed =O

just as i suspected, your issue is between the end point and your isp, a throttle somewhere. (possibly the filedropper itself.)

that server is sitting in auckland IIRC. so local routing to it too.

that is what your connection is actually capable of, when maxing out.

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