[Snap] Unreliable VDSL @ 3.6 MB/s - I didn't even know VDSL could go this slow!

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#1293686 29-Apr-2015 16:07

Chris,
I'll PM you

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#1293689 29-Apr-2015 16:08

I have naked VDSL with no land line so cant tell if my dial tone is gone.

Edit: My connections also been working fine for 2 years on VDSL prior to this issue.

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#1293693 29-Apr-2015 16:14

GRISDALE: I have naked VDSL with no land line so cant tell if my dial tone is gone.

Edit: My connections also been working fine for 2 years on VDSL prior to this issue.

I have a dialup phone in the shed if you want to see if there is anything on the line.

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#1293694 29-Apr-2015 16:14

GRISDALE: My connections also been working fine for 2 years on VDSL prior to this issue.

Mine was fine until around 3 weeks ago, when did yours start misbehaving?
You should have a PM BTW

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#1293716 29-Apr-2015 16:21

Had the problem on and off at the start of the year but its been consistently bad for the last 2 months now, I had an engineer out about 7 weeks ago.

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#1294449 30-Apr-2015 17:22

Have had a similar issue with my line slowly deteriorating over the last month. Solid at 32252 kbit/s down and 10360 kbit/s up for 2 years with minimal disconnects. Now sitting on 24160 down and 6344 up with at least a couple of disconnects a week. Chorus came out (nice tech) and found that due to a new housing development down the road Chorus had put multiples on my line increasing the loop length from 500m to 850m! Nothing they can do about it, even though they did a shortcut on the wiring loop which was wrong. His words were that I could kick up a fuss about it but more that likely nothing would be done as Chorus no longer has interest in the copper network but were now only interested in Fibre.

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#1294454 30-Apr-2015 17:35

Can someone clarify exactly what chorus mean by multiples?

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#1294478 30-Apr-2015 18:21

He did sort of explain the multiple to me but I would rather some tech savvy person on the forum answered it.

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#1294481 30-Apr-2015 18:30

There's a couple of different uses of the term but multiples are usually a cable run that terminates in more than one place (multiple locations) so it will have one or more branches off to a different pillar. This was fine for voice and gave more flexibility but plays havoc with the higher DSL frequencies.

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#1294482 30-Apr-2015 18:32

richms: Can someone clarify exactly what chorus mean by multiples?

Basically, instead of having a single pair of wires running continuously along to a sequence of points, when there are multiples on a line, the wires run continuously to a multiple joint, where the cable pair is then connected to two or more cable pairs to carry on, instead of one. It was used to reduce the cost of running the cable out, by ensuring they could make use of the capacity in the cable in a few different potential places, instead of only one place.

Unfortunately, this has a side effect of TRASHING broadband - depending on how long the multiple is, it could cause a dip in performance, or prevent an otherwise fine line of sustaining DSL at all. I'm not sure what the go is in other areas, but here in the Waikato, we don't remove those unless they're in an above ground joint/pillar, which is not very common. The impact is similar to loading coils on the line.

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#1294497 30-Apr-2015 18:48

And would it be normal that some lines on a pillar have them while others do not?

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#1294500 30-Apr-2015 18:55

my question is why are they doing this for a new development? shouldn't they only be doing fiber to new sub divisions? The newer half of Addison in Auckland is fiber only.

its seems ridiculous they would do this not only when they are suppose to be pushing UFB but also the impact to those on the copper network who probably wont get UFB for years to come.

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#1294501 30-Apr-2015 18:55

richms: And would it be normal that some lines on a pillar have them while others do not?

Yep.

Sometimes only a small part of the group will be in multiple - for instance maybe the first or last 10 pair of a group could be used to feed alternative locations too. There's really no easy way to tell except to look at the records to see which terminals the pair shows up in, or look at the plans to find out roughly where the multiples are, as they can be taken out at any point where a designer decided it seemed to be a good idea.

Jase2985: my question is why are they doing this for a new development? shouldn't they only be doing fiber to new sub divisions? The newer half of Addison in Auckland is fiber only.

its seems ridiculous they would do this not only when they are suppose to be pushing UFB but also the impact to those on the copper network who probably wont get UFB for years to come.

They >SHOULDN'T< have multiples in new developments, if the existing cabling already has them they may or may not be removed, but any new cable installs should only be dedicated cable terminals, or a RLG system.

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#1294509 30-Apr-2015 19:23

The development is in a established suburb which will not have fibre until 2016. The tech did say that it was shortcut and should not have been done.

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#1294513 30-Apr-2015 19:32

Well I guess I'm lucky to have one of the better of a crap bunch.

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