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#16103 24-Sep-2007 21:55
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Call me simplistic but...
The NZDST issue with windows seems to me to be over complicated.

Here is my current situation:
An external (very competent) sys admin contractor is telling me that we need to apply numerious MS patches to enable MS products to handle new NZDST cutovers...  At the same time he too is questioning the complexity of such patch requirements... We have so far had quite some discussion about the issue.

We are a small company running exchange and the windows domain basics (small by MS standards, perhaps medium sized by NZ standards).
We have no international 'appointment scheduling'.
Appart from myself, we have no appointment scheduling outside the domain... In fact most of our staff would not even know that you can send appointment and meeting invites, let alone outside the domain.
Our Exchange and all the Outlook clients are almost fully insulated from the 'big picture international data colaboration' that MS would like us to believe is the world reality.

So...  What is wrong with this...

Next Sunday night we 'disconnect' our servers from any automated time update information.
We manually roll the time forward one hour.
One week later (on the Windows 2003 server expected date) we roll the time back one hour and allow Windows to do the DST change that it expects to do on that date. (We are not a 24x7 operation, so an hour or two in the middle of the night that has timestamp problems is neither here nor there).
We then have another 6 months or so to either do the patches required by MS or allow them to figure out an automated process that works...

Any feedback on my flawed (or not) plan would be appreciated...

Thanks in advance.




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  #88000 24-Sep-2007 22:41
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Both the input of a Microsoft visionary and a 'true' Microsoft visionary would be appreciated...



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#88013 25-Sep-2007 07:44
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Imagine that a few months ago you created an appointment that just happens to be in one of the initial three weeks or the final two weeks of the new DST period.

When appointments are created they are stored in relation to GMT. When shown they are calculated in relation to GMT. If you don't apply any patches, during those five weeks any appointment created before the start of the period will be shifted one hour.

Now comes the other problem: any appointment you create during these five weeks that fall outside the DST will be shown also shifted one hour when the time comes.

This is just one of the problems.

And no, it doesn't affect Windows only.




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  #88017 25-Sep-2007 08:15
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Small correction - one week extra at the start (was first Sunday in October, now last Sunday in Sept), two weeks extra at the end (was third Sunday in March, now first Sunday in April).





 



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  #88025 25-Sep-2007 09:18
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Download Microsofts 'tzedit.exe' (Time Zone Editor utility) and edit the timezone on each PC.. problem solved.
Else, do a search on Microsoft. There are registry keys you can create then simply roll out to each PC on your network to correct the timezone file.

No need to pay for a patch!  Save your money.

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#88026 25-Sep-2007 09:20
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ZollyMonsta: No need to pay for a patch!  Save your money.


What??? The patches are all free.




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  #88030 25-Sep-2007 09:53
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I was misinformed there then ;)  Someone told me the corporate patches cost money.  I will no longer believe rumour ;)


Ok, either way it doesn't seem that big an issue to patch anyway.  Now, If I can just get this timezone editor for OS 9.2 to work ;)

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  #88034 25-Sep-2007 10:08
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ZollyMonsta: Else, do a search on Microsoft. There are registry keys you can create then simply roll out to each PC on your network to correct the timezone file.


Here's the link you're after: http://www.microsoft.com/australia/technet/timezone/Windows.aspx

You can manually edit your registry using the last line of the NZ sample script.




 

 
 
 
 

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  #88067 25-Sep-2007 16:33
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Thanks everyone.
Thanks Mauricio, the explanation by example is what i needed.
We have rolled out the patches as prescribed by MS.
Scripting deployment to the workstations was a lot easier than running round all of them. Big thanks to my team for this.

Cross our fingers and hope Monday morning is on time...

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  #88082 25-Sep-2007 18:55
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ZollyMonsta: I was misinformed there then ;)  Someone told me the corporate patches cost money.  I will no longer believe rumour ;)


Ok, either way it doesn't seem that big an issue to patch anyway.  Now, If I can just get this timezone editor for OS 9.2 to work ;)

Cheers,
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It's only the Win2K patch that costs money as you need to subscribe to the extendced support to gain access to many of the recent patches for the OS. There is nothing stopping you from using regedit or editing the registry but neither of these are as simple as an automatic update.



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  #88085 25-Sep-2007 19:20
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compiler: Thanks everyone.
Thanks Mauricio, the explanation by example is what i needed.
We have rolled out the patches as prescribed by MS.
Scripting deployment to the workstations was a lot easier than running round all of them. Big thanks to my team for this.

Cross our fingers and hope Monday morning is on time...

Cheers...


HI Compiler,

The information you are after is published in the guidance document (http://www.microsoft.com/nz/msdn/timezone/guidance.mspx) I keep updated on MS.com - This includes sequencing, required patches, links to rebasing tools etc. Another good reference is the blog I maintain which includes any gotchas, instructional videos, other resources etc and is available here - http://blogs.msdn.com/nzdst.

Nick.




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  #88088 25-Sep-2007 19:22
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sbiddle:
ZollyMonsta: I was misinformed there then ;)  Someone told me the corporate patches cost money.  I will no longer believe rumour ;)


Ok, either way it doesn't seem that big an issue to patch anyway.  Now, If I can just get this timezone editor for OS 9.2 to work ;)

Cheers,
ZollyMonsta



It's only the Win2K patch that costs money as you need to subscribe to the extendced support to gain access to many of the recent patches for the OS. There is nothing stopping you from using regedit or editing the registry but neither of these are as simple as an automatic update.




Hey sbiddle,

Quite correct, if you refer to section Guidence available here http://www.microsoft.com/nz/msdn/timezone/guidance.mspx there is the links to the regkey and automation process for Windows 2000.

Nick.




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  #88093 25-Sep-2007 20:40
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Thanks for your links NickMack,
With what i do for my company i may not always have time to review all the important and key blogs and whitepapers...
However, fortunately i can pay someone else to do so.

cheers,

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