simple xp networking?

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jimmyrauch

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#7126 21-Mar-2006 19:24

Ive tryed sooo many forums/helps...

All i want to do is link two xp pc's and share the printer and broadband in my office.

I started with a ethernet switch, linking the two pc's and the dsl modem. this worked for the file and print sharing and for 1 of the pc's (host), but no net connection for the 2nd. I then figured the 2nd pc would be accessing the modem directly, therefore the modem settings would not be set - no connection.

So i scraped the switch and brought another networking card to make one pc a host, running the modem throught 1 network card and the other for the 2nd pc. Ive managed to get the 1st pc online but the other wont print, file share, or get online???????

Im doing all the "setup home office" properly, both machines, 1 host 1 sharing, but nada..!?

Ive tryed pinging the host ip address - no reply.

Ive tryed the Network Diagnostics scan, which fails almost everything in the office.

If i do the same test at home, it passes all.

Im using a crossover switch between the two pc's

Do i go back to using the ethernet switch and load the second pc with the same modem u/n and p/w as the 1st pc, would they both work at the same time?

Or is there something im not doing?

Thanks for all the geek knowlege.

jim

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#31213 21-Mar-2006 21:01

what type of broardband - if cable get a router so the u/n and p/w are on the router and not a pc. most routers will have a 4 port (or more) switch as well so you can just plug your two pc's in. if you use dhcp to get an address and share your files and printer it should work.

Same for dsl get a dsl modem/router.

Jama

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#31254 22-Mar-2006 08:28

Check ythe firewall on your PC - if you are running ZoneAlarm or XP security it could be blocking the router.
Check that both PC's have the same Workgroup name - system>control pnael>computer name
Check the PC network connection and ensure that Internet Protocol TCP/IP is set to 'Obtain an IP address automatically'

Use a switch - not a cross over cable.

jimmyrauch

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#31270 22-Mar-2006 11:07

thnx for the replys,

Morbid1:
i have the generic adsl modem (xtra) with no ports, modem only. To save me buying a new router (as i only need to link 2 pc's) i want to use 1 pc as a host, and share its net connection. should be simple right?

Jama:
Only fire wall used is the xp firewall, and no change if i turn them all off. I guessed the proper firewall config is to enable on the host to modem and disable between host and 2nd pc? this correct?

The workgroups are the same, i tryed sa "mshome" then reconfigured with" workgroup", no dif.

BUT, i just checked the tcp/ip on the host and it was set to an ip: 192.168.0.1 ..... ive reset to auto.
I dont have the laptop today, so i cant try it. should the 2nd pc also be set to obtain auto?

Much appreciated

jim

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#31273 22-Mar-2006 11:34

Both PC's should be set to 'obtain IP address automatically'

I still think you should buy a 5 port switch - I think I payed $70 for mine which is 10/100Mbps. Up to you but I do run firewalls on each of my PC's and I added the IP number of each PC to the 'trusted zone' of the firewall.

jimmyrauch

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#31282 22-Mar-2006 12:56

hi again;
I already have a 5 port switch (see first post), everything wirked fine, (print and file share), except no net on the 2nd pc.
this could be because of the auto ip not being set?, also i used a crossover cable to link the second pc?

I read in forums: if linking two pc's via nic, the use a crossover canle, but if linking to a hub or switch use a patch cable?

thanks

Jama

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#31283 22-Mar-2006 12:59

Yup that could be your problem - don't use a cross over cable. Sorry I should have re-read your post.

jimmyrauch

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#31284 22-Mar-2006 13:02

so what would a crosover cable be used for?
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Jama

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#31289 22-Mar-2006 13:42

Cross over is for PC to PC - no switch in the middle.

mercera13

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#33155 17-Apr-2006 10:23

Have you got it to work yet?

I know what the problem is

First off all you need to go start > connect to > Show all connections

Right click local area connection and then go properties

Click internet protocol (tcp/ip)    and click properties

on the first pc use these settings (the one sharing the internet)

use use the following ip and type:

Ip address:        192.168.0.1
Subnet mask:     255.255.255.0
Defult gateway:   192.168.0.1

Prefered DNS:      202.27.184.3
Alternitive DNS:    202.27.184.5

Onthe second computer do the same thing:

ip Address:            192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask:         255.255.255.0
Defult Gateway:      192.168.0.1

Prefered DNS:         202.27.184.3
Alternitive DNS:       202.27.184.5

And finally on the computer sharing the internet go into your network connections Start > connect to > show all connections >

right click on your internet connection and click properties (connect via usb) then click on the advance tab and click everything under the internet connection sharing part......

jimmyrauch

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#33188 17-Apr-2006 15:31

thnx for ur time. i was getting wiggy performance, so i just did a format/ reinstall which cured it

ta
jim

mercera13

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#33592 21-Apr-2006 19:00

OK thats good it worked

Tricksdrummer

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#35075 6-May-2006 10:47

Jama: Cross over is for PC to PC - no switch in the middle.

crossover cable could be used between pc and switch

jpwise

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#35087 6-May-2006 13:06

Tricksdrummer:
Jama: Cross over is for PC to PC - no switch in the middle.

crossover cable could be used between pc and switch

Pretty rare to use it that way. Usually only times I've used crossover is pc-pc directly (very rare for me), or more commonly linking 2 or 3 switches/hubs together where you don't have enough uplink ports (/no uplinks and no auto crossover detection).

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NokiaRocks

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#35088 6-May-2006 13:36

switch and routhers are oblivious to which type of cable they are using. cross over cables are used for PC-PC connections

jpwise

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#35176 8-May-2006 09:40

NokiaRocks: switch and routhers are oblivious to which type of cable they are using. cross over cables are used for PC-PC connections

Newer ones have automatic crossover detection and don't worry about it, but a fair percentage (majority) of older ones used to have an uplink port that was crossed over. That why on a number of ie: 8 port switches/hubs you'll find 8 ports, plus a 9th uplink port. You could only use one or the other of the last two. The 8th was normal pinouts, the 9th was crossed over inside the box (but physically shared the pins to the 8th). Meaning you could use a standard straight through cable to link to switches/hubs.

ie: crossover port on hub 2 using standard straight through cable going to a standard port on hub1.
The crossover/uplink port allowing them to talk to each other without the need for a crossover cable.

In situations where neither unit has an uplink port but you need to link them, then you have to use a crossover cable.

Of course, that said, the bulk of units made new these days have automatic crossover detection so you don't have to worry about it.

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