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#15420 22-Aug-2007 09:55

I heard that by September 28th you will no longer need telecom - just the copper line...

got any more deets!?!?!

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#83300 22-Aug-2007 11:13

pricing and packages still to be finalised so watch this space...but yes you will be able to get a DSL connection without taking a Telecom Phone line, Companies will be able to offer alternate VOIP / VOBB services on the DSL if they have the capabilities, so expect to see a bundled type DSL/VOIP package in the near future.

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#83308 22-Aug-2007 11:56

dabset: I heard that by September 28th you will no longer need telecom - just the copper line...

got any more deets!?!?!

I would suggest doing a good search around the forums and read several articles about naked DSL.

It is *not* simply going to remove the fixed line charge, and leave you with $20 broadband.

no longer need telecom - just the copper line...

Somewhere along the way, someone (you) will have to pay for the connection, maintenance, repair, and upgrade of that copper line into your home. Broadband charges dont currently reflect this (fixed line prices do). Naked DSL will change this model somewhat (so that you end up paying for it).

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#83333 22-Aug-2007 14:12

Where did you see the 28th (September)?

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#83339 22-Aug-2007 14:55

Next step underway for local loop backhaul

Tuesday, 19 June 2007, 2:29 pm
Press Release: Commerce Commission

Next step underway for local loop backhaul and bitstream backhaul services

The Commerce Commission today issued notices requiring Telecom to submit standard terms proposals for the two backhaul services necessary to support local loop (LLU) and bitstream access.

The notices require Telecom to specify the non-price terms and conditions on which it proposes to provide an unbundled local loop backhaul service and an unbundled bitstream access backhaul service....

Telecom is required to submit the standard terms proposals by 28 September 2007. The date has been unanimously supported by the Telecommunications Carrier Forum, and industry representative body of which Telecom is a member.

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saw it somewhere else... but this seems to confirm it...

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#83346 22-Aug-2007 15:15

That statement says it's going to submit the standard terms, not when another ISP will be able to provide the service.

It's a start though.

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#83347 22-Aug-2007 15:19

dabset:
Telecom is required to submit the standard terms proposals by 28 September 2007. The date has been unanimously supported by the Telecommunications Carrier Forum, and industry representative body of which Telecom is a member.

Telecom is only required to SUBMIT it's standard term proposal, not have the service available for sale by that date.

If Telecom was to stick to this time line, then it would be ahead of any regulation requiring Telecom to-do so.

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#83349 22-Aug-2007 15:35

Customers to get naked in September

5:00AM Thursday July 12, 2007

By Helen Twose

Telecom's wholesale customers have been told to expect naked DSL - the ability to offer a broadband service via a phone line without having to pay the company for line rental - by the end of September.

Customers such as CallPlus, Orcon, ihug, WorldxChange and its own retail arm can get the service from September 28.

Naked DSL means consumers can get rid of their phone line in favour of Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) - phone calls using the internet.

Telcos CallPlus and WorldxChange already offer a phone service using VoIP technology.

This week, Orcon said it would offer a VoIP service when naked DSL became available in September.

The commercial naked DSL service comes more than two months before the Commerce Commission is expected to make a decision on regulated terms and prices for the service.

Telecom said initially it would limit the number of end-users of the service to those signing up new broadband connections.

"It ensures that we can monitor product performance levels as well as back-end support systems to ensure our offering will meet market demands," Telecom said.

Internet companies will be able to move their existing broadband customers to naked DSL from December.

Telecom said it expected to introduce enhancements to the service over the next few years which could open up opportunities for television and movies delivered over the internet.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=137&objectid=10451042

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#83350 22-Aug-2007 15:37

It's ahead of any regulation....

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#83406 22-Aug-2007 22:29

From end September it will be available to new Telecom connections only so that Telecom can "trial" it with a limited number of connections, and existing customers can be moved/changed/ported from mid December. Not sure what they want to "trial", but that is what was reported (I think in the NZ Herald).

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#83408 22-Aug-2007 22:32

Niel: From end September it will be available to new Telecom connections only so that Telecom can "trial" it with a limited number of connections, and existing customers can be moved/changed/ported from mid December. Not sure what they want to "trial", but that is what was reported (I think in the NZ Herald).

Not sure where you go this from Niel, but this is totally incorrect, Telecom Wholesale customers will be able to resell this product from the date listed above. Is it just a case of 'the hearld strikes again...'?

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#83428 23-Aug-2007 00:50

http://www.telecom.co.nz/binarys/wholesale%20product%20roadmap-%20june%202007.pdf

"Timeframe: While delivery dates for these products will be based on outcomes from the Standard Terms Determination, we are working on having some initial Basic UBA capability available for pilot in September 2007 and foresee the Enhanced UBA plans to be available during 2008."

"Some"... ..."for pilot"

Niel: Not sure what they want to "trial", but that is what was reported (I think in the NZ Herald).

It can't hurt to "trial" something which should be as straight forward as shifting an email service from one server to another

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#83429 23-Aug-2007 01:44

I have no doubt that the technical side will work fine, its telecoms billing that's going to screw things up.

No more will they have a phone number and telecom account number to reference to the provisioned service, so I can see plenty of scope for stuff ups in moving people over to it. I hate to say it, but I think the new install only initially is a good move on their part so they aren't putting people in the position of losing all services when they have the inevitable teething problems that this will have for all the new processes and procedures they will have to introduce.

Looking forward to it nevertheless, will have to see if I can move an existing connection on a pstn line somewhere else to a naked line here, will be interesting to see if that's available since it will be a new install as far as telecom is concerned, but an existing one for the ISP.

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#83435 23-Aug-2007 07:09

richms: I have no doubt that the technical side will work fine, its telecoms billing that's going to screw things up.

No more will they have a phone number and telecom account number to reference to the provisioned service, so I can see plenty of scope for stuff ups in moving people over to it. I hate to say it, but I think the new install only initially is a good move on their part so they aren't putting people in the position of losing all services when they have the inevitable teething problems that this will have for all the new processes and procedures they will have to introduce.

Looking forward to it nevertheless, will have to see if I can move an existing connection on a pstn line somewhere else to a naked line here, will be interesting to see if that's available since it will be a new install as far as telecom is concerned, but an existing one for the ISP.

The Telecom system has a widely used feature called party numbers that sit across customers, and transcend even the account numbers. This should be a pretty reasonable basis to identify nDSL customers I would think...

Id say Telecom has a better track record recently of handling technical billing issues than some other telcos...

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#83468 23-Aug-2007 11:43

Yeah, but the ordering process for ISPs at the moment needs phone number and telecom account number, they will need a way to order a new circuit to be installed at a physical location, and considering how many people don't know their own address properly even, then I can see that is where the downfall will be.

Wouldnt mean vodafone by " other's" would you? :)

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