Cost of a second fibre connection?

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Aelexe

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#267899 17-Feb-2020 12:42

I live on a property with two dwellings. The main dwelling has received a fibre installation at no cost and I'm trying to arrange for a connection to the second dwelling which I've been advised I'll have to pay for.

I've previously been told by multiple ISPs that it would cost $300, but my current ISP (Spark) has advised me it would be "multiple thousand".

Does anyone have experience with getting a second connection installed and the costs associated with it? Multiple thousand seems a bit steep for an ONT and 10m of fibre.

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#2422377 17-Feb-2020 12:50

im guessing is a single title with a second dwelling on it? or is it 2 separate titles?

If its the latter then should be free

if its the former then you will likely have to pay for chorus to build out their network to accommodate you. and as mentioned likey be thousands.

how close are the dwellings? could you not just get a connection on the second port of the other dwellings ONT?

@chorusnz might be able to advise on this a little better (assumption its chorus too)

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#2422379 17-Feb-2020 12:59

This really should have gone down a MDU/ROW Network Build path.

Highly likely it was never defined as one on chorus's side, so the front house was delivered as a standard SDU.

a secondary connection isn't 'thousands' but it could be there if the records dont exist.

DM me details and i'll give you a more realistic idea....

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Aelexe

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#2422382 17-Feb-2020 13:13

Jase2985:

im guessing is a single title with a second dwelling on it? or is it 2 separate titles?

If its the latter then should be free

if its the former then you will likely have to pay for chorus to build out their network to accommodate you. and as mentioned likey be thousands.

how close are the dwellings? could you not just get a connection on the second port of the other dwellings ONT?

@chorusnz might be able to advise on this a little better (assumption its chorus too)

It is a single title with two dwellings which are uncomfortably close to each other.

The chorus technician I spoke to advised me there were spare connections left over in the pole mounted black box (I've forgotten the name) that feeds to each dwelling, but activating the second port on the existing ONT might be less of a hassle.

Is this common enough that my ISP won't have trouble understanding what I want done?

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#2422405 17-Feb-2020 13:24

Aelexe:

It is a single title with two dwellings which are uncomfortably close to each other.

The chorus technician I spoke to advised me there were spare connections left over in the pole mounted black box (I've forgotten the name) that feeds to each dwelling, but activating the second port on the existing ONT might be less of a hassle.

Is this common enough that my ISP won't have trouble understanding what I want done?

if its a single title I am guessing you are going to have to fess up the cash for the second connection as this is outside the scope government funded roll out - Your second port while an option won't be a max/max connection

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#2422408 17-Feb-2020 13:30

Does the second dwelling have it's own letterbox with a unique number (eg 20A or 2/20)? If so, is the address on that letterbox registered for delivery with NZ Post?

Does it have its own power meter? If so, what address was used for that meter (tip - check here)

If it has a unique registered mail delivery address and matching power meter address which both differ from the main land parcel address, then Chorus could possibly complete an Infill Build job for this one by creating and validating an address in Chorus Portal which matches the two pieces of data above (postal delivery address and power meter address). You'd most likely have to provide a usable duct from the dwelling to the fibre dropoff on the boundary. There would possibly be a charge for this installation - if so it would be quoted.

If the mailing and power meter addresses are not unique from the main house, then Infill Build is not an option and you may need to consider alternatives. A second port connection on the primary ONT is possibly an option, but someone would have to run a Cat 6 cable between the dwellings. Depending on what you wanted to use it for (and who your RSP is) this may not be an option.

I am happy yo look at the exact setup to see what's possible. Feel free to flick me a DM with the address.

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nitro

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#2422440 17-Feb-2020 14:11

hope the OP doesn't mind me riding on this...

we have a similar situation, except with 3 dwellings. when the build was done, the design had allocations for all 3 houses and the ribbonets are in place. at the moment, one is live and 2 are unused (one sticking out of the ground, the other hanging by the power pole).

i have messaged @Chorusnz about this and awaiting his reply. however, appreciate ideas from anyone else.

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#2422441 17-Feb-2020 14:12

Hey @Aelexe, it looks like you've had a few offers for help already.

If you're needing another opinion, feel free to DM us your order number and address :-) ^Matt

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#2425629 22-Feb-2020 22:30

I am thinking if both houses are on the same land parcel and both owned by the same person, then it would be no problem to just install a duct between the ETP on house 1, and pull through some opticat cable, then request a second ONT be installed.

Personally I have done something similar where a chorus tech wouldnt install a second ONT where I wanted it (in a sleepout), so I just got them to install it next to the current one. Then i got out my fusion splicer, laid some opticat in a duct and moved it myself.

There are risks involved with support and repairs etc

But I think if you requested a second ONT and laid the opticat cable/duct yourself then the installer would probably do it because its an easy job.

Getting a second ONT is quite cheap and easy.

If there is any potential for one house to be sold in the future, then definitely dont do it - go with the infill idea above.

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#2425634 22-Feb-2020 23:01

raytaylor:

I am thinking if both houses are on the same land parcel and both owned by the same person, then it would be no problem to just install a duct between the ETP on house 1, and pull through some opticat cable, then request a second ONT be installed.

Personally I have done something similar where a chorus tech wouldnt install a second ONT where I wanted it (in a sleepout), so I just got them to install it next to the current one. Then i got out my fusion splicer, laid some opticat in a duct and moved it myself.

There are risks involved with support and repairs etc

But I think if you requested a second ONT and laid the opticat cable/duct yourself then the installer would probably do it because its an easy job.

Getting a second ONT is quite cheap and easy.

If there is any potential for one house to be sold in the future, then definitely dont do it - go with the infill idea above.

I'm with Ray on this one, I have done this many times before due to the ONT being installed in the Dummest of places Like this one. or on the Floor of the kitchen where it can get kicked off its bracket and the fiber snaps.

This was the case in my new house, It was cheaper for me to relocate the ONT and resplice it than pay someone else to do it and in the process wait up to 2-4 weeks.

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#2426337 24-Feb-2020 14:35

Just remember in a copper world anything on the "Customer Side" past the drop cable in the ETP (white telecom box) is the customers responsibility hence you can undertake re-wiring yourself

In the Fibre world the LFC (Chorus/Ultrafast/NorthPower/Enable/Whoever) is responsible all the way to the ONT, therefore you are messing with Chorus owned equipment so you shouldn't be "splicing" anything.

While it will technically work if you make a mess of it, you could be charged thousands to put it right.

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