I still can't sync through Bluetooth with my MDA Vario

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#10403 20-Nov-2006 22:44

Hi all,

I think this question has been asked a thousand times before, but I can't get Activesync to work over bluetooth with my MDA Vario.
The answers and solutions I've found online are mostly the same:
Install Activesync (I have version 4.1).
Connect the T-Mobile MDA Vario via USB withe the pc. (that works, I can sync through USB).
Disconnect all.
Install a bluetooth com port on the pc (mine is COM 7, the same as when I open the connection settings in Activesync, COM 7)
PC and MDA Vario are on discoverable when bluetooth is on.
Go to Activesync on MDA Vario and click "sync via Bluetooth"
The Vario will ask whether you want a partnership for Activesync with a PC.
I click yes, my PC (Steve) is found.
The only services on my PC are "Serial port", "Handsfree set" and "dial up connection"
There is no Activesync, so I choose "serial port"
I click finish.
Then I open Active sync on the Vario again and try to sync, but nothing happens.

No other bluetooth thing is paired with my Vario (for example, handsfree set, GPS receiver)
I use Activesync 4.1
The T-Mobile MDA Vario still has the same ROM, no up- or downgrades were made.
I use an USB Sitecom Bluetooth adapter.
I made sure the firewall was turned off.
I use Windows XP Home Edition SP1 on my pc.
Can somebody help me?

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#53087 20-Nov-2006 22:50

Perhaps instead of initiating this from ActiveSync on your Pocket PC you should delete the pairing, and the recreate it from the Bluetooth application on your Pocket PC. Only after this you should start ActiveSync over Bluetooth.

Also, make sure the COM port in use is an Incoming (or Server) COM port. If the port is Outgoing (or Client) then the Pocket PC will only see it as a Serial Port, not ActiveSync.

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#53088 20-Nov-2006 23:01

You mean instead of pairing with my PC via Activesync, I should pair my Vario with PC through the Bluetooth menu?
I'll give it a try and let you know whether it works.

It's getting frustrating now, I only have the Vario for more than a year now and I haven't used the bluetooth option on PC fully.
File transfer is not possible either. And sending files form PC to Vario doesn't work too.

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#53107 21-Nov-2006 08:54

freitasm: Perhaps instead of initiating this from ActiveSync on your Pocket PC you should delete the pairing, and the recreate it from the Bluetooth application on your Pocket PC. Only after this you should start ActiveSync over Bluetooth.

Also, make sure the COM port in use is an Incoming (or Server) COM port. If the port is Outgoing (or Client) then the Pocket PC will only see it as a Serial Port, not ActiveSync.

Next step in the Activesync over bluetooth drama ;-)

I've turned both my PC and Vario on discoverable when the bluetooth option is turned on. When I choose PC, the only options are
Serial port
Headphone
Dial up Network

When I go to the tab "Com-port" and click the option "new incoming COM port", the only thing I can choose is " COM 7" (which is exactly the same COM port as in Activesync.

Does anyone have any other suggestions or tips?

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#53109 21-Nov-2006 09:06

Anita, are you clicking on the "COM Ports" tab on your Pocket PC? The COM port is configured on your desktop, not on your Pocket PC.

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#53111 21-Nov-2006 09:43

freitasm: Anita, are you clicking on the "COM Ports" tab on your Pocket PC? The COM port is configured on your desktop, not on your Pocket PC.

You mean, as in the config on my PC?
I configured the COM ports on the tab on my pc, that one that says Local Services. I added a "bluetooth serial port", that is also COM port 7.
I checked the automatic startup option.

I even tried to switch the COM ports, changed the one on Activesync from 7 to 6, and also did the same on the Local Services-tab in the software on my PC....

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#53113 21-Nov-2006 10:32

Yes, that's the one Services tab. The port select there must be the same one select on ActiveSync Connection Settings... If you have more than one COM port in the Services tab, it's a good idea to delete and leave only only. Then you create the pairing, from your Pocket PC.

You don't need to change any ports on your Pocket PC - indeed if you do it may not work at all.

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#53649 25-Nov-2006 23:36

Interesting, I seem to have the same problem and have tried everything, MS Stack Widdcom Stack, create pairing from oe side then the other, even fooled the poor pocket PC into thinking that it had activesync by quickly hacking the registry on the Pocket PC and it appeared to try to connect but Activesync never responded. I've uninstalled com ports and installed them again.

I did get it working once, and then decided to move the USB dongle to where it should have been installed and it's not worked since. I have even upgraded the PC's ActiveSync software, and I do have my suspicions that even though it says that it's going to use COMx that it's not doing anything on that port and the communications might be stiffled somewhere.

All I wanted was to up grade my class3 device to a class1 so I could use BT as a networking device downstrairs using ActiveSync as a bridge:( But alas no. Anyone any ideas what can go wrong at the PC end?

Thanks in advance.

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#53651 25-Nov-2006 23:56

Welcome to Geekzone... First, by replacing the devices you effectively broke the pairing. And it will only work if the devices use exactly the same software.

Second, changing a device based on its range won't achieve what you want, because the Pocket PC remains a device capable of communicating at 10m only.

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#53655 26-Nov-2006 03:34

Thanks for the welcome and the info,

Ah yes I did have the feeling that just upgrading the PC's transmitter might not be the solution but I thought at the small cost of doing this I would give it a go, since they I have just been bogged down in this side alley.

Yes I was expecing to have to set up pairing again with the new device and wasted a night getting it all paired:

1)First Windows don't support the Belkin device so tried the Widdcom stack (found forum items saying it won't work) then hacked Windows into installing it.

2)I had other issues such as ActiveSync coundn't see COM23

3)And the problem that deleting a COM port doesn't delete it

Finally I got the new device to ActiveSync, I was just a little suprised (and not surprised at all) that moving USB ports caused the everything to mess up and caused Windows to think this was another completely different device. Since then I have not had any luck, but I think I'll give up now seeing as it won't do what I was wanting it to do, I'll shell out for a Wireless router. I just thought that there might be a chance it would work and wouldn't take too long to set up and found myself sucked into this whole problem.

What I find strange is that there is no information as to what is unhappy and why it's not working, there are no error messages.

Ho hum:)

Thanks for the help.

Rich

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#53656 26-Nov-2006 04:08

rshepard:
Thanks for the welcome and the info,

Ah yes I did have the feeling that just upgrading the PC's transmitter might not be the solution but I thought at the small cost of doing this I would give it a go, since they I have just been bogged down in this side alley.

Yes I was expecing to have to set up pairing again with the new device and wasted a night getting it all paired:

1)First Windows don't support the Belkin device so tried the Widdcom stack (found forum items saying it won't work) then hacked Windows into installing it.
2)I had other issues such as ActiveSync coundn't see COM23
3)And the problem that deleting a COM port doesn't delete it

Finally I got the new device to ActiveSync, I was just a little suprised (and not surprised at all) that moving USB ports caused the everything to mess up and caused Windows to think this was another completely different device. Since then I have not had any luck, but I think I'll give up now seeing as it won't do what I was wanting it to do, I'll shell out for a Wireless router. I just thought that there might be a chance it would work and wouldn't take too long to set up and found myself sucked into this whole problem.

What I find strange is that there is no information as to what is unhappy and why it's not working, there are no error messages.

Ho hum:)

Thanks for the help.

Rich

Hi Rich,

Well, after a couple of days trying, still no luck.
I did the Widdcom thing and that didn't work for me either.

Last thing I want to try is a Bluetooth connection between the Vario and my PC, to see whether I'll be able to surf the internet through a BT connection.

I'll let you both know if whether it works or not.

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#53657 26-Nov-2006 04:48

Update.

I "fiddles" around with my BT network settings and all of a sudden I was able to send files from my Vario to my PC and vice versa. So I got that working.
The internet through BT still doesn't work and the ActiveSync doesn't work either.....

There is nothing like a good Saturday night spending trying to figure out how to sync through BT, right.

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#53658 26-Nov-2006 05:47

Anita,

I don't think I was recommending anything in fact I thought I was also in the same state as you in that I had tried everything and still not got it working. I have noticed that there are lots of forms with people having problems of the same kind in that they get a Serial Port instead of an ActiveSync service when and this stops Windows Mobile even trying to sync up. I have a feeling it will be something silly, like when you click though on the MDA when you select a Partenership this list of services is always cached, so you have to always refresh if you have changed anything, it could account the reason why it suddenly worked one day for me... it doesn't account for why it broke and never worked again!

I did try to see if I could hook up my MDA (well it's a QTEK9100 but the same sort of thing) with my BT NEtwork Access service but I don't think Windows Mobile 2005 supports this. It will let me use dial up using my 54k modem but not my ADSL modem nor are there any settings to connect to a PAN that I can see, and that's why I was trying to use ActiveSync as this allows you to do this.

I think I may go back to the Widdcom Stack because this does support hands free that MS doesn't, not that I am likely to use it mind you.

Glad to hear you could send files though:)

Rich

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#53659 26-Nov-2006 06:20

rshepard: Anita,

I don't think I was recommending anything in fact I thought I was also in the same state as you in that I had tried everything and still not got it working.

LOL
I should have said "Hi Rich and Mauricio"

I do think also that it might be some small stuoid thing, like a check in one of the settings or something. Anyways, thanks...;-)
I'll keep on trying.

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#53665 26-Nov-2006 10:39

rshepard: I did try to see if I could hook up my MDA (well it's a QTEK9100 but the same sort of thing) with my BT NEtwork Access service but I don't think Windows Mobile 2005 supports this. It will let me use dial up using my 54k modem but not my ADSL modem nor are there any settings to connect to a PAN that I can see, and that's why I was trying to use ActiveSync as this allows you to do this.

I think I may go back to the Widdcom Stack because this does support hands free that MS doesn't, not that I am likely to use it mind you.

Glad to hear you could send files though:)

Rich

Windows Mobile 5 does not support LAN access, and ActiveSync on your desktop can only "see" up to port 9. If you have your Bluetooth adapter creating COM ports on a high number, then you will need to delete the "ghost" ports. Have a look here: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=8&TopicId=422

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#53815 27-Nov-2006 12:48

Yeah I found all of that out but thanks for the information, strangely enough I have link as a favorite so I can delete the "ghost ports". I personally think it's stupid that "ghost ports" exist, and also think it's daft that ActiveSync can only see up to port 9 (and excel can only have 65535 rows and open office have complied with this rule). I shall get off my soap box now.

Thanks for the info, still at the end of the day it doesn't work and despite following the rules it still doesn't work with the same devices that it did work with.

Sorry if this sounds I like I am having a go at you but no matter what I seem to do it doesn't work. Pair one way or the other MS or Widdcom, same software or another, com ports deleted and from fresh, even deleted other bluetooth stuff in the devmanager just in case and re run. I even got hung up that the BT device name and computer name had tobe the same so chenged them.

I am getting a wireless router for Christmas... hang the battery life of the 9100.

Rich:)

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