Using Spark Fibre ONT to hard-wire PC

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JustaGrocer

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#238218 7-Jul-2018 12:27

Hi. Please be nice as I'm new and certainly not an expert. I'v tried researching the hell out of this and can't seem to find the right fix.

I have recently moved into a brand new house that has a Spark Fibre ONT installed in my garage. I have a multiple port patch panel that I currently have my WiFi Router connected to in the middle of the house. It works great. I'm wanting to connect a couple of devices (PC and Laptop) that sit on the edge of the wifi zone to outlets that are in bedrooms that are patched back to the garage however when I try to connect to the internet the PC can see the ONT but won't connect to the internet. Do I need a separate router for the 'hard-wired' outlets ?

I have completed all the basic checks with cables and outlets so I'm reasonably confident I'm asking the right question. I have also checked to make sure the devices don't have a static IP. I can use the wi-fi for these devices however as mentioned its patchy as its on the edge of the range of the router and I have a patch panel so i figure I may as well use it.

I feel like I have exhausted the shallow pool of my knowledge and I'm looking for some specialist advice please :)

Many thanks.

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#2051055 7-Jul-2018 12:31

You should never connect your PC to the ONT, it won't be setup right to connect.

Spark only allow a single session, so your router will need to terminate the connection (just as it currently does)

Your best bet would be to have one of the Ethernet ports on the router patched back to the garage.

From there you could have a switch split out the further required ports for all your devices.

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#2051060 7-Jul-2018 12:39

hio77:

Your best bet would be to have one of the Ethernet ports on the router patched back to the garage.

From there you could have a switch split out the further required ports for all your devices.

This is what my parents do and it works fine for them, though probably a bit of added latency

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#2051062 7-Jul-2018 12:40

Tzoi:

hio77:

Your best bet would be to have one of the Ethernet ports on the router patched back to the garage.

From there you could have a switch split out the further required ports for all your devices.

This is what my parents do and it works fine for them, though probably a bit of added latency

next to zero noticeable latency (will be in the nanoseconds.)

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#2051064 7-Jul-2018 12:44

Thanks Guys - I figured that might be the case.

Appreciate the help.

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#2055412 12-Jul-2018 22:48

If you have only a single ethernet cable connecting the home hub / ONT port to the router, you can use a cat5 ethernet cable splitter (ideal electrical, jaycar) however you will be limited to 100mbits.

Once you get the LAN1 port back to the home hub, a cheap $30 8-port tp-link switch will split it and send it off to the various other jacks around the house

https://i.imgur.com/MXKgULq.jpg

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#2055957 13-Jul-2018 19:49

Question … what are the other (one is used to connect to router) 3 or 4 Ge ports on an ONT for?

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#2055958 13-Jul-2018 19:52

If you sign up for another internet service, they would be delivered across one of the other ports.

Eg. You could have internet through one ISP, and broadcast tv over fiber from a different provider, both delivered using separate ports on the ONT

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#2056099 14-Jul-2018 10:50

Thanks for that Ray … I assisted an 'oldie' setting up a Skinny broadband and the telco simply said 'we send you the modem and it takes 5 minutes'!

Of course, they don't say anything about moving furniture, crawling on the floor and locating the ONT, etc <>. However, unlike the 'old days' of separate routers at least today's devices come get their DNS and IP addresses "over-the-line" during the 5 to 7 minute connection and provisioning after turning it on

Setting up wifi still needs 'someone-who-knows' to get that up for the user … certainly a touch more than 5 minutes.

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#2233377 8-May-2019 22:51

raytaylor:
If you have only a single ethernet cable connecting the home hub / ONT port to the router, you can use a cat5 ethernet cable splitter (ideal electrical, jaycar) however you will be limited to 100mbits.

Once you get the LAN1 port back to the home hub, a cheap $30 8-port tp-link switch will split it and send it off to the various other jacks around the house

https://i.imgur.com/MXKgULq.jpg

Hi Ray,

I am also in the same situation, recently moved to a new home. Would like to stream through ethernet rather than wifi. Would the same approach work for me.

My cabinet looks like this.

TIA

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#2233433 9-May-2019 06:06

Hi Raj, yes exact same as Ray described before. I can see your router is in a room on the end of outlet 6 on the patch panel, I presume this is the family room or some other centrally location where the router can provide good wireless coverage. If you get two splitters as Ray has noted and a switch to put in the cabinet (in your photo) and connect up in a manner shown by Rays very good picture then you should be all good to go.

Suitable data splitters are here. You will require two of them. Plus a suitable switch that is an 8 port but a 5 port may suffice and some patch leads 0.5m ones for in the cabinet and I recommend 2m ones for connecting devices in the rooms, cat5e cables are fine.

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#2233482 9-May-2019 09:18

Thanks Cyril.

Currently I am using the HG659B router from Spark. Am also planning to connect a Netgear R7000 (Tomato) for VPN purposes and use that as my main router. In that case, should I connect the Dynamix to the Netgear or should that still connect to the spark router?

Also, came across the below for the switch. Hope this can be used as well?

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=77&topicid=249210

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#2233487 9-May-2019 09:32

Hi, you should not need to use both the HG659 and the Tomato router together, just tomato, remember you will need to tag vlan10 on the wan port with pppoe.

As for that switch, yes you could use that, but its a poe switch, this is added complexity, and bulk that if you dont need then you are probably better with one similar to what I linked of one like this.

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#2233548 9-May-2019 11:12

That helps, thanks again!

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#2233851 9-May-2019 16:52

cyril7:

Hi Raj, yes exact same as Ray described before. I can see your router is in a room on the end of outlet 6 on the patch panel, I presume this is the family room or some other centrally location where the router can provide good wireless coverage. If you get two splitters as Ray has noted and a switch to put in the cabinet (in your photo) and connect up in a manner shown by Rays very good picture then you should be all good to go.

Suitable data splitters are here. You will require two of them. Plus a suitable switch that is an 8 port but a 5 port may suffice and some patch leads 0.5m ones for in the cabinet and I recommend 2m ones for connecting devices in the rooms, cat5e cables are fine.

Cyril

May be a dumb question, are patch cables different from patch leads or same? There are a lot of patch leads & cables in PBT, want to make sure I buy the correct ones.

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#2233898 9-May-2019 18:16

I'd do this differently, move the router to right beside the ONT in the garage, then add a new wireless AP where you want wireless in the house (cabled back to the router). Then all cables lead back to the router and you're not using any splitters nor limited to 100mbits.

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