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smerriman

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#285783 17-May-2021 21:09
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While I don't know much about networks, I'm a website developer so know a lot about debugging. And after a lot of debugging, I'm completely stumped, and am hoping somewhere can connect the dots for me.

 

I have an LG smart TV connected via wifi. On it, I can watch Netflix + YouTube absolutely perfectly. Freeview on demand / TVNZ on demand used to work perfectly too.. until one day, they didn't. I'm focusing my debugging on the freeview on demand app.

 

The app loads the list of shows perfectly fine. I select one.. it displays the channel logo, and then sits there. After a couple of minutes, the screen goes black. If I leave it on the black screen for around 5-10 minutes, it eventually starts playing. Replicable every time, though some shows (it seems those without ads) load slightly quicker - but still 2-5 minutes when it should be instant.

 

I've done all of the usual steps, going as far as full factory resets of both the TV and router. No change. The app developers can find nothing wrong.

 

I discovered that I could set up my laptop as a mobile hotspot, and then use Wireshark to inspect the packets being sent through. I wasn't expecting much, given https:// requests are encrypted, but I held out a faint hope there would be some sign of what it was trying to do during those endless minutes of black screen.

 

But here's the kicker. When my TV is connected to my laptop's mobile hotspot.. suddenly everything works perfectly! Shows load and stream within a couple of seconds. Change back to a direct connection to my router.. and it's broken again.

 

Signal strength? It seems not; other than the fact Netflix streams without issue, I tried moving my laptop to the opposite end of the house and it still works perfectly, while the router is in the same room as the TV (just too far away to be wired).

 

It's as if my router is specifically seeing the TV device doing something it doesn't like, and blocking it for a fixed period of time. But I've checked through all of the settings in the router and can't see anything applicable; and if it used to work but doesn't despite a factory reset.. ? And wouldn't the same packets come through from the hotspot anyway?

 

I am so confused. If anybody has any recommendations of where to go from hear, I've love to hear them.

 

Specifics if it helps:

 

- [LG] webOS TV LJ550T

 

- NetComm Wireless NF4V (with fibre connection)

 

- can provide other details if you let me know what's relevant


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RunningMan
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  #2708717 17-May-2021 21:20
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I'd check DNS settings - is a non standard DNS setting interfering with a CDN access, either to ads or the main content?




Dolts
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  #2708718 17-May-2021 21:20
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What happens if you change DNS on router or TV to:

 

Google DNS

 

8.8.8.8 

 

8.8.4.4

 

 

 

Or Cloudflare DNS

 

1.1.1.1

 

1.0.0.1


smerriman

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  #2708719 17-May-2021 21:32
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I had tried changing the DNS directly on the TV to Google's (before the factory resets), but have just tried changing it now directly in the router (rebooted + confirmed via http://www.whatsmydnsserver.com/ I'm seeing Google).

 

No luck - still the long delay on the TV. What makes no sense to me is how it could improve via a mobile hotspot..




RunningMan
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  #2708720 17-May-2021 21:36
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Mobile hotspot will be using (possibly) different ISP, and would override any manually entered DNS. What happens if you manually enter your ISP's DNS on the TV?


smerriman

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  #2708721 17-May-2021 21:49
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RunningMan:

 

Mobile hotspot will be using (possibly) different ISP, and would override any manually entered DNS. What happens if you manually enter your ISP's DNS on the TV?

 

 

Just to clarify, this is a mobile hotspot on my laptop, not on a mobile phone. The laptop is connected to exactly the same router via wifi. That's why it's so bizarre.


yitz
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  #2708727 17-May-2021 22:26
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Maybe it's an IPv6 (and PMTU) thing when attempting to connect a host doing the analytics tracking or ad server? Your laptop hotspot may be IPv4 only. Does your ISP supply IPv6, you should easily be able to temporarily reconfigure the WAN interface on Netcomm routers to uncheck IPv6 for testing. 


smerriman

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  #2708732 17-May-2021 22:52
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yitz:

 

Maybe it's an IPv6 (and PMTU) thing when attempting to connect a host doing the analytics tracking or ad server? Your laptop hotspot may be IPv4 only. Does your ISP supply IPv6, you should easily be able to temporarily reconfigure the WAN interface on Netcomm routers to uncheck IPv6 for testing. 

 

 

Oh wow, you are awesome! I went into the Advanced Wi-Fi settings on the TV and IPv6 was enabled.. I disabled it and that appears to have instantly resolved the problem.

 

Thank you so much, this has been driving me insane for a couple of months now.

 

 


 
 
 

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bfginger
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#2708739 17-May-2021 23:15
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You ought to report this thread to LG NZ as it's probably a server misconfig on their end and.

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