MyRepublic shaping traffic?

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iwanttobeamole

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#236386 30-May-2018 16:48

I've been testing different cloud storage options for some backups, and was a bit disappointed with the performance.

My connection with MYR is their gigabit plan.

Here's what I found backing up 5GB of mixed data. Some files, some video, other random stuff, but always the same set.

Amazon S3 - 2.46 MB/sec

Google Cloud - 2.56 MB/sec

Wasabi 1.64 MB/sec

Backblaze 2.22MB/sec

Not ideal when I want to dump 5tb + up there.

So fast forward to this afternoon at the office on a spark "gigabit" connection, I fired up the software on my laptop, ran with the same settings.

S3 - 16.38 MB/sec

Google - 6.37 MB/sec

Wasabi - 3.48 MB/sec

Backblaze 4.33 MB/sec.

Clearly a crapload faster.

So are MyRepublic shaping non-standard traffic now, or could this all be put down to them buying the cheapest slowest nastiest pairings they can buy?

Given their recent fall from grace I wouldn't put either past them, and at the end of the day, it hardly matters which it is.

The end result is that their product is bad, and they should feel bad. (and I should leave)

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#2025802 30-May-2018 17:21

these are all international sites.

i'd expect routing and configuration comes into it.

As much as I'm personally not fan of MYRP, not so sure it's fair to point and say your shaping! bad!

truth be told, aside from QOS shaping; there are very few RSP's that purposefully shape content.

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#2025814 30-May-2018 17:48

I don't know what MR do, but I can tell you at Spark we put a LOT of effort into optimising our connections for good international performance. Honestly it's usually more noticeable on the downstream but we pay attention to things like this.

In the past a lot of the industry benchmarking has neglected testing this sort of thing and we never had a chance to shine.

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Whinery

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#2026056 31-May-2018 07:24

I would say that Amazon and Google are shaped on Spark, and MyRepublic doesn't do any shaping.

And by "shaped" for Amazon and Google, they have some manner of optimized routes or caching. My Republic has no capability to shape, nor reason to do so. They just buy cheapest available bandwidth, and manage it poorly.

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#2026064 31-May-2018 07:59

Whinery: I would say that Amazon and Google are shaped on Spark, and MyRepublic doesn't do any shaping. And by "shaped" for Amazon and Google, they have some manner of optimized routes or caching. My Republic has no capability to shape, nor reason to do so. They just buy cheapest available bandwidth, and manage it poorly.

I'd be careful with your terminology there. Shaped tends to imply somehow modifying the traffic to ensure it doesn't exceed certain pre-determined rates.

Having a local CDN node is great for performance, but has nothing to do with shaping.

Buying high quality link with lots of headroom for traffic bursts, and optimising your routing to go via the best path is not shaping. I could see how you could argue it is (you're "grooming the traffic to perform better") but for most people shaping isn't that.

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#2026071 31-May-2018 08:31

Wrong terminology. We don't shape any sites. The only shaping we do improves performance.

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#2026073 31-May-2018 08:36

Try connecting to a US VPN from home and try again. If your transfer rates are markedly higher than yes, you're likely hitting some traffic shaping.

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#2026104 31-May-2018 10:16

I do not apologize for using the correct term because others read in an emotional definition.

https://f5.com/glossary/traffic-shaping

""Traffic shaping is a way to help increase network performance by controlling the amount of data that flows into and out of the network. Traffic is categorized, queued, and directed according to network policies."

Using express routes to improve the performance of some traffic (and denying those paths to other traffic) is "traffic shaping". Amazon and Google get one quality of service, and everything else gets a different quality of service.

I understand why you don't like the term. But it is correct.

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#2026106 31-May-2018 10:23

Look, I know more about it than you and that definition about using express routes as traffic shaping, is, in my well informed and experienced opinion, wrong.

Your quoted sentence is correct (not the negative connotation shaping often has on here though - it's more correct than that), but the leap you have taken after that is wrong.

Sending traffic down one link instead of another is NOT traffic shaping.

Anyway, I don't really care about convincing YOU, I just wanted to make sure others didn't take your definition as accurate.

Cheers - N

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iwanttobeamole

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#2026300 31-May-2018 14:53

Well, here's a bit of a wry twist. I re-tested the connection to S3 again last night and was happily hitting 40+MB/sec.

All in all the inconsistency is annoying, even if it is just poor network management.

MyR are in the bin, and I now need to find someone to migrate to.

Oh, and Spark guy. you may not be wrong, but you don't have to be a dick about it.

I'm still pissed off with telecom over the 0867 debacle, and I've been bashing my head against all forms your idiotic company for over 20 years so your self gratification will do you no good here.

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#2026324 31-May-2018 15:26

To be fair, my first AND second posts were non-dickish... But someone coming back and defending a factually wrong statement and suggesting that we got it wrong because of an emotional response to the term, well, at that point I'm afraid the poster had well and truly used up his quota of goodwill for the day.

And 0867? Please! That was nearly 20 years ago and the company has changed more than you realise since then.

I'm glad your performance improved... It doesn't make a lot of sense to see much variability in upstream traffic performance...

Cheers - N

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