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#1652107 17-Oct-2016 08:58

I'd dob myself in and collect the $1000 anonymously - likely the fine will be less than that if pleading guilty and co-operating etc

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#1652121 17-Oct-2016 09:38

darylblake:

No one wants to see crappy quality of some muppet holding his smartphone up to a tv and steaming it over facebook. I absolutely agree he needs to build a bridge and get over it.

I'm not even sure they are wording the articles or describing the actions performed correctly. It's not terribly clear - If you saw the TV interview, in his particular case it was sounding very much like this wasn't a case of him holding smartphone to someones paid for feed like in the past but rather an offshore link being popularly disclosed. Re-sharing someone who was running a pirate stream from overseas based on a rights holder Source.

Along the lines of 'A mate asked me if I was watching it, I said yes. I'm streaming it. And posted up the link for them to watch it too' - not clear if it was a source he was producing via offshore servers, or just advertising a dodgy one in place. It's all rather odd.

Moreso, the 2 fights back when it all starting touting how much was being lost in revenue with the actual FB sharing etc - that the most recent one it appears they decide to withdraw any broadcast TV rights in Australia and the UK due to being source for the piracy. Earn legit money in broadcast rights, vs losing more with people hunting an alternate from shutting them out. 0.o

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#1652125 17-Oct-2016 09:51

http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/story/kiwi-on-the-run-after-streaming-boxing-fights-2016101018

Snapshot of the IP in the video goes back to Serbia. And those familiar when watching may be able to tell if the logos don't look to be a NZ Source?.

So theres more likely 2 issues at play that are being mashed.
July fight: Smartphones pointed at tv for FBLive - dealt to on 2nd by showing Skycard# on screen
Recent Fight: Lots of people re-sharing an already dodgy stream link

So I guess the question will be how far down the chain you can point the finger with the laws we have in place and the wording/method it refers to with giving ability to infringe. Source vs 2nd hand etc

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#1652192 17-Oct-2016 11:23

I've no doubt they'll catch up with this idiot eventually but the big problem Duco faces will actually be proving any losses. If the people who watched had not had access to this stream would they have subscribed to a particular (legitimate) service to get it? Unlikely. You can claim they would but that's nothing but hot air. Get statements from each and every one... It's all very well and good saying 20,000 people watched the stream so we lost $800,000 but, IMO, that's just a pie-in-the-sky fantasy that simply won't fly.

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#1652194 17-Oct-2016 11:24

dickytim: The internet gives a lot of people really big balls until it doesn't.

I shall regard this as one of the quotes of the century!!

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#1652281 17-Oct-2016 12:25

What struck me was all the references from Duco and Sky saying that the streamers are not paying their $40.00 dues.

It's not $40.00 FFS, it's a $50.00 sky sub + the $40.00 = $90.00 if you wanted to watch the bout, and don't have an existing sky sub.

Nuts to that.

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#1652283 17-Oct-2016 12:29

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If I knew who this person was I would rat them out for $1000 or even for free

Wow, that's a pretty bold statement to publicly out yourself as a rat. Did you consider that in the real, non keyboard warrior world, people regularly get beaten or killed for snitching?

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#1652285 17-Oct-2016 12:34

Oblivian:

Recent Fight: Lots of people re-sharing an already dodgy stream link

So I guess the question will be how far down the chain you can point the finger with the laws we have in place and the wording/method it refers to with giving ability to infringe. Source vs 2nd hand etc

IANAL but I'm fairly sure NZ law doesn't recognise the whole concept of secondary copyright infringement.

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#1652322 17-Oct-2016 13:38

SepticSceptic:

What struck me was all the references from Duco and Sky saying that the streamers are not paying their $40.00 dues.

It's not $40.00 FFS, it's a $50.00 sky sub + the $40.00 = $90.00 if you wanted to watch the bout, and don't have an existing sky sub.

Nuts to that.

I believe they learnt the lesson from that model in July and the most recent was open to fanpass for non subscribers...

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#1652333 17-Oct-2016 13:45

And now the story has flipped back to saying it was the target that also used the live feature in May.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11730420

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#1652604 18-Oct-2016 01:18

Just google arena sports channel, if Duco are serious they need to only sell them DELAYED coverage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_Sport

as Arena sports is widely available through pirated online streaming.

Anyway thats nothing, the international satellite feed went out over Asiasat free to air... not even encrypted

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#1652606 18-Oct-2016 01:35

Lias:

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If I knew who this person was I would rat them out for $1000 or even for free

Wow, that's a pretty bold statement to publicly out yourself as a rat. Did you consider that in the real, non keyboard warrior world, people regularly get beaten or killed for snitching?

What sort of talk is that? At school the bullies and gangs loved that sort of thinking. It goes down well in adult gangs and prison. Corrupt police often rely on that sort of solidarity. Thankfully, many people don't believe that people should be protected from the consequences of antisocial and illegal behaviour.

Technically, a rat or a snitch informs on comrades and associates. Quite commonly people report others who they know of but are not associated with.

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