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#2312263 7-Sep-2019 14:53

networkn: They will be making this change to comply with requirements of the rights holder. The same requirements that lightbox or Netflix or pretty much every streaming provider complies with already.
If you can use those services then this change is very unlikely to affect you in the slightest.

You are going to have extremely limited viewing options if your setup isn't hdcp compliant.

One of the reasons it was never enabled for the sports channels was because of bars and other commercial customers,
Some will have distribution systems that are not HDCP compliant

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#2312439 7-Sep-2019 18:51

Scott3:

tdgeek:

Wow, its a problem when a business puts a measure in place to protect its business? I'm car hunting today, I'll complain about the padlocks on their gates as I cant steal it easily

With HDCP it's kinda like locking the gate on the main driveway, on a caryard that is otherwise not fenced. Add inconvenience for your genuine customer's, while be ineffectual at preventing any cars from getting stolen (can simply drive them off the lot, and over the footpath).

Given HDCP is thawed by a $20 slitter, I don't get why they bother. People who are looking to run illegal stream's with capture cards won't be put off.

On the other hand, I am pretty sure sky has had HDCP turned on you years, so I don't think many people will even notice the change... Those without HDCP complaint setups will either have brought splitters long ago, or be running of the analog SD output ports.

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Fortunately enough people pay for the services to allow them to continue.

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#2312513 7-Sep-2019 20:51

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Do you have any affiliation with Sky? I ask as you seem to be well past the "I enjoy Sky and feel it represents good value for me" and into the "anyone who criticises Sky is my enemy" area. Whenever Sky comes up in a thread I wait for you to show up and you never fail to do so. Just to be clear, I don't have any strong feelings about Sky, I'm happy to leave that up to the market, I just am intrigued by your tenacity about Sky.

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#2312545 7-Sep-2019 21:29

tdgeek:

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Fortunately enough people pay for the services to allow them to continue.

I did. HDCP strippers were also mentioned by him as well.

I doubt this change would improve sky's revenues (which I do contribute to).

As somebody else mentioned, it is likely that one of sky's content suppliers strictly required HDCP on the broadcast of their content, so sky had little choice other than to put it in place, despite the content protection method being compromised, and hence largely pointless.

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#2312555 7-Sep-2019 21:51

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networkn: They will be making this change to comply with requirements of the rights holder. The same requirements that lightbox or Netflix or pretty much every streaming provider complies with already.
If you can use those services then this change is very unlikely to affect you in the slightest.

You are going to have extremely limited viewing options if your setup isn't hdcp compliant.

One of the reasons it was never enabled for the sports channels was because of bars and other commercial customers,
Some will have distribution systems that are not HDCP compliant

Then, just like with any other similar service on offer today, they may need to shell for some new technology. It's unfortunate in some ways but likely to have benefits in the long term.

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#2312558 7-Sep-2019 22:02

Whoa... Wait for NZ Herald to publish an article about how your HDMI cable will stop SKY Sport now...

/sarcasm - for those who missed the flawed article a couple of weeks on Spark Sport recommending people buy new HDMI cables...

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#2312583 7-Sep-2019 23:07

sbiddle: What TV do you have that is so old it has HDMI but no HDCP?

There were really only a handful of early model flat screens from maybe 2004ish that suffered this limitation. Considering your TV won't even be full HD from that era the 1440*1080 will still exceed your panel resolution. 😀

My non-HDCP TV is a model that was new in 2009, so I do not know where you are getting 2004 from. It is a Sony Bravia KDL-32V5500. I bought it on 11-Dec-2009. My recollection at the time was that HDCP capable TVs were available in NZ then, but it was only on the very expensive ones.

I am pretty sure that there will be heaps of Sky customers like me who only buy a new TV when forced to - preferably after at least 10 years of service. Mine is still working just fine and is in no need of upgrading. I would never use the "smart" features of a new TV - I use my MythTV box, phone and tablet for that. So I certainly would not want to pay for those features on a new TV. And I do not need any speakers either - my sound goes via S/PDIF to my DAC and hifi system. I am not watching any 4k content, so there is no need for that yet - maybe if Sky or Freeview started 4k transmissions there would be a reason to get a new TV. But certainly not just because Sky wants to turn on HDCP. That said, I have to repeat what Sky told me when the new decoders arrived - yes, they do have HDCP on channels (they did not say which ones), but if the decoder was connected to a non-HDCP TV like mine, it would simply disable HDCP at its end and everything would work. That does appear to be the case, as I can watch all my channels (Sky Basic + Sky Entertainment), and most of those channels are now in HD. So unless they are also changing the decoders to stop that process, then any changes to channel HDCP settings will not affect me.

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#2312587 8-Sep-2019 00:17

Looks like that TV is compliant.

https://www.cnet.com/products/sony-kdl-32v5500-bravia-32-lcd-tv/

Further down that web page:

HDCP Compatible

yes

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#2312674 8-Sep-2019 09:51

It would be great if the original poster could have linked to the article used as the source for the statement.

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#2312692 8-Sep-2019 10:12

sbiddle: It's worth noting HDCP is nothing new. Most Sky HD channels have had HDCP enabled for years - this change is simply for the new Sport channels.

I think one issue I have is when HDCP is referred to in a generic form. To me, there is difference enough between the versions as to require one to say what version is being referred to.

Also, when talking about 4K resolutionI assume we are talking about HDMI 2.0 & HDCP 2.2 rather than high definition. If talking about other resolutions then different standards apply.

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#2313153 8-Sep-2019 18:45

TwoSeven: It would be great if the original poster could have linked to the article used as the source for the statement.

Clarification: OP received email notification about changes related to a service.

I note it does already say on the sky website what is required for HD

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#2313327 8-Sep-2019 22:54

rugrat:

Looks like that TV is compliant.

https://www.cnet.com/products/sony-kdl-32v5500-bravia-32-lcd-tv/

Further down that web page:

HDCP Compatible yes

Sorry, that is not my TV. It looks like those specs are for the US version - they include a DVB-C (cable TV) tuner and a SCART connector that my TV does not have. And HDCP, which is not mentioned in my manual. My TV also has Freeview (MHEG5) EPG, which the US version does not have. My manual is for the NZ, Australian and Singaporean versions - I expect the only differences in those versions is the firmware.

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#2313336 9-Sep-2019 01:21

Bollocks, never used DVB-C in the US. Other specs don't match either, e.g., DVB-T.

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#2313338 9-Sep-2019 02:19

It may have been a European model,( the giveaway is VHF 2-12 no Channel 1) but should still be compatible with New Zealand, not US no mention of any ATSC Tuner.

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#2313361 9-Sep-2019 07:42

Regardless hdcp was mandatory since 2004, even though your manual does not mention it I would find it odd it did not have it, have you actually tried any of the premium sky channels ie movies, or any BD player will require it off a major movie.

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