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#1196276 12-Dec-2014 13:27

freitasm: His point is that TiVO EPG guarantees an unlimited broadband. Of course the EPG itself won't hurt but people who have a TiVo and get all-you-can-eat broadband as a side effect will lose the whole thing.

Oh, sorry didn't twig to that part. By the time I got involved it was being dumped and cleared by Noel Lemmings, with no ISP tie up involved.

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#1196289 12-Dec-2014 13:36

old3eyes:
mattwnz: I guess if the EPG goes, then Spark will then start to meter people again who use their broadband service. That has been one of the benefits of the tivo, where Spark have been providing unmetered data for several years. Apparently it was to stop earlier this year, but it is still unmetered. Not a big cost difference though now between a 40GB plan and a unmetered plan, so wouldn't be a great loss for the unmetering to end.

Oh come on.. On a 150Gig / plan the loss of non metered EPG will hurt you??

The unmetering was supposed to also to cover their Caspa ondemand, pay as you watch video service, which got discontinued. That is why it was unmetered by spark. The EPG and tivo download updates and messages probably use 100MB a month, not sure, but obviously not as much as video. But my point is that it is only about $20 per month difference in price now to have an unlimited plan anyway, so it won't be any great loss to lose the unmetering. But Spark won't want to be refunding tivo paperweights if the EPG does stop being updated.

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#1196292 12-Dec-2014 13:40

Jaxson:
freitasm: His point is that TiVO EPG guarantees an unlimited broadband. Of course the EPG itself won't hurt but people who have a TiVo and get all-you-can-eat broadband as a side effect will lose the whole thing.

Oh, sorry didn't twig to that part. By the time I got involved it was being dumped and cleared by Noel Lemmings, with no ISP tie up involved.

I think if you used telecom at the time as your ISP it didn't matter who you purchased it through, as long as your told telecom that you had a tivo.Althogh maybe it changed after they got sent to noel leemings and bond and bond to get rid of. They were supposed to measure tivo traffic separately from your normal traffic, but apparently they had trouble separating it, so they made all traffic unmetered. I recall it used to be on tivos website, where they had a list of ISPs that offered unmetered ISPs, although I think telecom were always the only one on that list.

EDIT:

Looks like it is still unmetered if you are a spark customer and have a tivo as shown at http://myaccount.mytivo.co.nz/unmetering . It includes EPG, games data etc, just not quickflix

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#1196322 12-Dec-2014 14:05

I have a boxed brand new TiVo if anyone wants to buy it. Make me a fair offer.

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#1196412 12-Dec-2014 16:27

EPG is about 10MB a month or so..

As for the original premise of the thread, servers for your EPG are here with me in Sydney.

I might be mostly quiet, but do you guys really think we'd not tell you of something import?

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#1196512 12-Dec-2014 18:59

Let us know if you need to pass around a hat to keep it all going there Dan!

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#1196518 12-Dec-2014 19:08

Thank you Dan. Nice to hear you are still on the case for us. :)

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#1196648 12-Dec-2014 22:53

Dan you are the Boss.

Long live TiVo. Best thing ever. On Demand is sh*te compared to it.

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#1197066 13-Dec-2014 21:09

Is there anyway now to get the home networking package? I understand it's no longer sold and the ability to connect my two TiVo's and shuffle off recordings would be fantastic.

Dan is there anyway you can swap me a HNP licence for a limerick, or cheeseburger or something? Maybe a dirty joke. I've got a few of those I could part with.

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#1197603 15-Dec-2014 10:27

scuwp: I think recording broadcast TV is on it's way out anyway. On-demand & streaming will replace all broadcast TV in time, and all the TiVo's & Freeview boxes etc will be obsolete.

I agree with what you say but I find it really irritating (not that you say it, just in general). Everyone keeps blathering on about ultra this and ultra that and cloud heaven and streaming paradise and in the process we poor country cousins keep getting left completely behind. What irritates me is the bland assumption that everyone everywhere is just going to automatically be able to benefit from all this super-duper state-of-the-art whatever, so no attention needs to be paid to those who cannot.

Until this year, we could not get broadband of any description at our location, except by super-slow overpriced satellite, which we just could not justify. So we suffered greatly on dial-up. With software bloating as the rest of the world skated along on adsl, it wasn't long before I couldn't even download anti-virus updates anymore. I used to have to go into town to a friend's place. Then of course, it became nearly impossible to do updates off-line because some idiots decided users should install updaters instead or have their machines auto-detected and suddenly other options no longer existed.

At long last RBI wireless reached our area. I can't begin to describe the joy of seeing data stream in at a blazing 2-3 mb/s! Laugh if you like but for us this is a whole new world. It is even, sometimes, fast enough for SD streaming, which is like a miracle, though most of the time, especially with HD, I need to find ways to bypass download restrictions so I can view the video normally. Also, on RBI we have to watch out for those data caps!

So now you come along and gleefully pronounce that everything will soon depend on full-time streaming and a great sense of depression overcomes me. I feel like I am back on dial-up. Please, as the world rushes headlong towards cloudy nirvanna, spare a thought for those of us who cannot share in all this manna. Not everyone lives in cities (yet), and not everyone has access to unlimited ufb.

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#1198326 16-Dec-2014 11:02

Interesting you should say that Rikkitic as I know several people in the same situation. Some are clearly 'out in the whops' but others border larger cities yet they still don't have access to broadband suitable for streaming purposes, (of any great quality level at least). Mobile offerings seem to be the solution for them, but they have to watch the consumption level. Computers auto applying updates etc is something they have to watch out for.

As much as I'm glad Dan and Hybrid are there, I would like to know what frames their offering. By that I mean:

Who is paying Hybrid to deliver the TIVO EPG?
Are there any timeframes on this? (ie were Hybrid engaged to supply this for 5 years etc)
Where is the EPG data sourced from, and are there existing agreements in place to ensure the continual supply of this data.

I'm appreciative that it's still going for sure, don't get me wrong, but the TIVO deployment was mishandled from the start and I wonder about continuity of service. Plus wider stuff, like:

Do Hybrid own the rights to TIVO in NZ?
Are there any plans to offer new models etc?

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#1198397 16-Dec-2014 12:48

Also is there any plans for a new TiVo in the region?? I seem to remember last year hearing that in the US TiVo was going to license their software to other hardware vendors..

Regards,

Old3eyes

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#1198473 16-Dec-2014 15:33

I've recently setup DVBLink on my NAS to act as a recorder to replace the Tivo. It works quite well but the Tivo is so easy to use it hasn't been disconnected yet.

Inside DVBLink I setup an EPG source to regularly pull this url. epg.org.nz/freeview.xml.gz which is a regularly updated XML file of NZ's tv listings. I'm not sure who maintains it (domain seems to be owned by nicetechnology).
If Hybrid was stopping their EPG data it might be possible for them to allow an alternative source like this.

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#1198514 16-Dec-2014 16:57

Rikkitic:

At long last RBI wireless reached our area. I can't begin to describe the joy of seeing data stream in at a blazing 2-3 mb/s! Laugh if you like but for us this is a whole new world. It is even, sometimes, fast enough for SD streaming, which is like a miracle, though most of the time, especially with HD, I need to find ways to bypass download restrictions so I can view the video normally. Also, on RBI we have to watch out for those data caps!

So now you come along and gleefully pronounce that everything will soon depend on full-time streaming and a great sense of depression overcomes me. I feel like I am back on dial-up. Please, as the world rushes headlong towards cloudy nirvanna, spare a thought for those of us who cannot share in all this manna. Not everyone lives in cities (yet), and not everyone has access to unlimited ufb.

You can see why the studios want it all to be streaming, and not selling physical media, as it fixes the piracy problem. But it puts all the control back into the studios.

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#1198663 16-Dec-2014 20:59

No, it doesn't. It doesn't even come close.

Good streamers connect to the TV over HDMI.

Recording this (in HD) by connecting an appropriate recording device that also disregards copy protection is trivially easy to do, at a cost of around $2-300 in equipment. While I haven't yet done it myself, there are many threads on video discussion fora that tell people how to do it.

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