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k1wi
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  #929298 8-Nov-2013 11:00
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Really appreciate the info mate,

From my back of the envelope calculations you only spent an extra 50c a day for the first 18 days of the month ($9 total) being on the low usage plan over the standard usage plan, but saved you the same over the 13 you had solar ($7) so no big deal eh?

The solar's saving you ~$110 a month, assuming no change in overall usage, for a pay back of approx 9 years excluding all the additional variables such as opportunity cost, future power price changes etc (increase in house price, depreciation)...

I'd call that probably close to best case scenario as your panels are at their prime orientation for this time of the year (when solar strength is getting close to its strongest and longest), but offset by any demand shifting you can do as you get use to the system - shifting those 2KWh/day sold back @10c to sunshine hours would make a decent difference over time (Some people put the freezer on a timer and cycle it off over night when it usually remains closed, to come on again once the sun comes up... Not that I'm suggesting you try that!)

I think most interestingly for me is the relationship between the three 'plans' low, low with solar, standard without solar and how that influences your returns - it really puts an incentive on demand shifting towards daytime hours, or perhaps even grid-tied with a battery option (for those 7 KWh sold back to the grid each day).

Excuse me for taking your bill apart, again, I appreciate the amount of info re: numbers.

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  #929310 8-Nov-2013 11:21
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mclean: I make the Contact buy-back better above 7.6 kWh/day, and the actual buy-back was 7.1 kWh/day.  But as you say the choice is going to be affected by all sorts of other things, including the consumption profile in the house.  It's better to use the solar power than to sell it back.

If you can generate a surplus it adds a whole level of complexity to choosing a retailer!

I just redid my calcs and my first ones were miles out, oops. Yours are spot on (too many years since I've done algebra!). Although judging on the last few posts I think that using the GST inclusive rate for Contact is not the right way to look at it. If you are GST registered that should be passed straight onto the government, if you aren't GST registered then you can't charge it so it shouldn't be used in any calculations. Using the GST exclusive number of $17.285c/kWhr I get 10.3 kWhr per day before you are in the positive. I might do some more calcs to see the benefits.

Did the OP use this site here for getting some sun intensity data to model the panel outputs? http://solarview.niwa.co.nz/

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  #929326 8-Nov-2013 11:48
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Porboynz:

- 0.55kWh average background usage during daytime hours 365 days of the year

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Awesome thread, I'll be following with interest.
I installed an Efergy Energy Monitor a few months ago, and interestingly my base\background usage is about 0.5kW as well (although I work from home so my base usage is overnight).
Here is an image of my last 24 hours usage.







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  #929328 8-Nov-2013 11:52
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Amosnz:
Porboynz:

- 0.55kWh average background usage during daytime hours 365 days of the year

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Awesome thread, I'll be following with interest.
I installed an Efergy Energy Monitor a few months ago, and interestingly my base\background usage is about 0.5kW as well (although I work from home so my base usage is overnight).
Here is an image of my last 24 hours usage.





I find this really interesting to see. Also the real world information getting provided in this tread is awesome as when I did all the sums on getting a 4-5 kw solar system it seemed tooo good to be true so I held back. But am considering it again and this thread was perfect timing

k1wi
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  #929338 8-Nov-2013 12:05
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Actually, when pricing ROI - what price do you put on Geekzone street cred?

All the +1's that this thread deserves must count to something surely ;)

  #929339 8-Nov-2013 12:08
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Yeah here is my energy usage (using an Owl CM160 monitor). My base line is about 0.5kW as well, but I was surprised to see how much my TV is using. A good excuse to upgrade the 3-4yr old plasma to a low power LED...


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  #929340 8-Nov-2013 12:09
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Your Base Usage seems pretty high (well compared to mine)..

Looking on mercury's website I have around 0.13 kW between midnight and 6am in the morning.

What do you have running in the house?


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  #929352 8-Nov-2013 12:28
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Here is my kinda normal usage



The large peak just after 3pm is the Spa Pool...



  #929355 8-Nov-2013 12:33
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Yeah - I have a low power Ubuntu server running 24/7. Last weekend I went out and caught 40 crayfish for my upcoming wedding and these are now all sitting in my two fridge/freezers. I think they are working overtime as before I was getting a much more stable usage graph over night. It looks to me like the freezer compressor is coming on every hour or so which spikes my usage. Wedding is in 2 weeks so will be keeping an eye to see if that drops off once they are emptied out.

Other than the server I have two fridges and a TV on standby. All other AV equipment is automatically shut off at the wall when I go to bed.

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  #929364 8-Nov-2013 12:46
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Love the thread. Keep the info coming re: what devices used to do what, where. Looking for a new project.

:-)

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  #929365 8-Nov-2013 12:46
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At night I would think all I have on is
3 Fridge/Freezers and Router/ONT/ATA/Alarm etc in Comms cabinet. TV/AMP/Sky etc in Power Saving Mode (not turned off at all at wall)

The Hot Water is a little different as its a new house..



Only turns on in the evening when it needs to heat water up and I can turn the power off on it and water is still hot enough for showers for 2-3 days (2 of us in House)

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  #929376 8-Nov-2013 13:03
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Another things to do to reduce your power is to change all your lights to LEDS. I have 3/4 of the house with Philips HUE and just recently Apple/Philips have released BR30 and GU10 lights so will look into replacing those in the house as well and are all controllable remotely.

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  #929377 8-Nov-2013 13:07
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Overnight I have 1x Media Box, 1x Tivo, 2x TV's in standby, 1x Fridge/Freezer, 1x drinks fridge, 1x chest freezer, 1x 4 HDD NAS, 1x 16port switch, 3x routers (VDSL, 2xWireless at each end of the house), 1x VOIP adapter, 1x Energy monitor... I think that's most of the stuff, so 0.5kW doesn't seem too bad :)

Edit: Forgot the ventilation system also.




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  #929380 8-Nov-2013 13:10
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LennonNZ: Another things to do to reduce your power is to change all your lights to LEDS. I have 3/4 of the house with Philips HUE and just recently Apple/Philips have released BR30 and GU10 lights so will look into replacing those in the house as well and are all controllable remotely.


I also run LED's throughout the house (ones that I took a punt on AliExpress) and notice the power difference.
Before I had the energy monitor we used to leave the fluro tubes (6x) on in the garage when we went out at night, but after I got the monitor I found they collectively used 700w! Now I've setup a 10w LED on a separate switch to leave on for these times.




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  #929381 8-Nov-2013 13:11
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Yep - I am almost 100% LED. If I turn on every single light in the house I am under 1kW in total. The only other things running 24/7 are the alarm, 3 cordless phone stations, 2 Squeezebox devices on standby, 2 TVs on standby, ovens on standby, the two fridge freezers, 4 Raspberry Pis, and a couple of IP cams.

I think the TVs are probably my biggest loss makers.

Edit: plus my ADSL modem, 2 routers, external HDD for backup, solar controller...

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