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  #2577993 2-Oct-2020 13:29
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dafman:

 

jm3: Maybe a ground barrier is necessary if you have kikuyu, we had some californian thistle pop up in a raised bed once. Generally not need though.

Instead of rocks to fill the volume you could use old tree branches/logs even firewood, they are a good moisture trap. Google 'hugelkultur bed' which is sort of the theory behind it.

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Thanks very much. We are in Kapiti beach area and have kikuyu, plus the raised beds are going on top of old level vege beds that have a history of weed issues, so keen to separate the new beds from the old. We have a lot of logs, so will look at hugelkultur.

 

 

Cheap polythene weed mat will probable get clogged up completely over time which is not ideal. You could use a geotextile so water can pass through more easily, You can also get jute/wool/felt mats that will suppress weeds probably long enough to get on top of them and then they will biodegrade. If weeds are ingressing from your lawn you may need a root barrier at the edge.

 

It really depends how much money you want to throw at the garden, it's easy to get carried away.

 

I would place your matting whatever type you choose and then put a decent layer of pumice or scoria on top of it. The is will allow drainage, stop the mat clogging and the volcanic rock holds moisture, now start building your soil layers.

 

If your previous garden bed really is a problem and you want a closed system you could try a 'wicking bed' which I have been meaning to do for a while.

 

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  #2578031 2-Oct-2020 14:17
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jm3:

 

If your previous garden bed really is a problem and you want a closed system you could try a 'wicking bed' which I have been meaning to do for a while.

 

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We have a free standing version of that (stands above ground on legs).  We have it on the deck as planter for leafy herbs.  Grows really well.

 

 

 

 





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  #2599008 6-Nov-2020 14:04
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Gordy7:

 

I used these macrocarpa kitsets.... 

 

https://redpath.co.nz/home-and-garden/raised-garden-boxes-or-patio-trugs/box-only/

 

Quite expensive... wanted 600mm high boxes (2m x 1m) to save our backs...

 

Lined the lower 3 box layers with plastic to reduce water getting into timber...

 

Open to the ground.... Been in use since August 2017.... no sign of deterioration...

 

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Thanks @Gordy7 for link to Redpath.

 

I've ordered two (2m x 1m) 300mm high in macrocarpa.

 

Am intending to purchase Vegepod cover kits for each - link here

 

I'm also intending to line the inside of the macrocapa with polythene to extend life ... is this overkill, thoughts anyone?




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  #2599062 6-Nov-2020 15:07
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dafman:

I'm also intending to line the inside of the macrocapa with polythene to extend life ... is this overkill, thoughts anyone?

 

 

Anything to avoid direct soil contact with the timber will help it last longer. You don't necessarily need polythene, weedmat will also do, and allows some air movement around the macrocarpa.

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  #2599063 6-Nov-2020 15:12
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Ive done a few gardens in our last 2 houses.

 

Took a trailer up to this mill and selected the wood. I think I went with 250x50. Stacked them 2 high.

 

https://www.cypress-sawmill.co.nz/

 

Cant recall the price, but think it was better than elsewhere.

 

As others have said - then pre-drilled and added coach screws. In the last place I also plated the stack together, which I think was the better thing to do, as I noticed the current ones have moved around a bit.

 

 


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  #2599179 6-Nov-2020 16:55
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Have you though about making them out of concrete. Either concrete block, or making some timber formwork and filling it with concrete. I wouldn't be keen using treated timber for stuff that you consume. My parents put in some macrocarpa ones about 10 years ago and they seem alright, but suspect they coud be quite rotten now on the inside surface. But that isn't a bad life. Railway sleepers are also quite durable, but eventually do break down.


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  #2599182 6-Nov-2020 16:56
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neb:
dafman:

 

I'm also intending to line the inside of the macrocapa with polythene to extend life ... is this overkill, thoughts anyone?

 

Anything to avoid direct soil contact with the timber will help it last longer. You don't necessarily need polythene, weedmat will also do, and allows some air movement around the macrocarpa.

 

 

 

My concern is you ar still going to get moisture between the polythene and timber, that won't be able to breath. Unless you use a painted on sealing product, which may help.


 
 
 

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  #2599187 6-Nov-2020 17:03
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neb: Anything to avoid direct soil contact with the timber will help it last longer. You don't necessarily need polythene, weedmat will also do, and allows some air movement around the macrocarpa.

 

 

 

My concern is you ar still going to get moisture between the polythene and timber, that won't be able to breath. Unless you use a painted on sealing product, which may help.

 

 

Exactly, thus my suggestion to use weed mat which will allow some air flow.

  #2599210 6-Nov-2020 18:06
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Shanemc:

 

Ive done a few gardens in our last 2 houses.

 

Took a trailer up to this mill and selected the wood. I think I went with 250x50. Stacked them 2 high.

 

https://www.cypress-sawmill.co.nz/

 

Cant recall the price, but think it was better than elsewhere.

 

As others have said - then pre-drilled and added coach screws. In the last place I also plated the stack together, which I think was the better thing to do, as I noticed the current ones have moved around a bit.

 

 

 

 

they look to be about 25-50% more than others. and there is a lot more work to put them together.

 

 

 

https://www.macdirect.co.nz/garden

 

Mac Direct do some nice looking ones, and its cheaper to build your own than use one of their kits


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  #2599245 6-Nov-2020 20:04
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Hi

 

So before moving a couple months back, I was working on a friends farm, helping him out with building raised gardens and fences, he is an ex-builder, that has suffered chemical poisoning and before that all through my child hood and teenage years, I grow up help my family and extended family all build there own raised gardens as well.

 

In regards to height, this all depends on, do you want to be on you hands and knees or do you want to be able to rest your knees against the top of the garden and just bend over. To low and you will be crawling through dirt to reach everything in the center. So depending on how tall you are you'd make it 18 to 24 inches from garden level.

 

In regards to material, Macrocarpa would be the best way to go if your aiming for untreated and 1000 times better ex railway sleepers, they'll last longer than new Macrocarpa sleepers and I have send them last 25 to 35 years the ex railway sleepers. Now given the fact I am 30, when I was 10, my parents replaced 35+ year old ex railway sleepers. Little more background, my father was a railway worker and they were 45 when they had me.

 

In regards to treated timber, its cheaper, easier to found, downside chemicals, this is where my friend with chemical poisoning comes in. I have learnt that the amount of chemical used in treatment is not enough to effect your health and over time the effect of those chemicals dissipate greatly. My friend would buy the timber at the being of March and leave it sitting in the weather till about mid to late July, after getting rained over that time the chemicals had dissipate and were perfectly fine for him to work with. Bare in mind that, because of his chemical poisoning, he was effected by touching the timber not using it for his gardens. Another thing we would use in some cases, once he had gotten enough was tea tree wood and used those as stakes and edging ( 4 or 5 lengths stacked up to give a raised garden effect)  

 

If you have the money get sleepers, ex railway ones if you can, if your worried about chemicals. Use treated half rounds or 2" x 6" boards and 4" x 4" posts(square), depending on how wet things will get and for how long they stay wet will judge how long it will last.

 

Example a post in the ground to hang a gate, concerted in 10 to 15 years depending on how much rain you get but put a layer of gravel in the hole and then the post with a little more gravel around the edge of the post and then concrete just saw you make that post last 30 40 even 50 years in the ground.

 

 

 

Hope this was helpful


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  #2600927 10-Nov-2020 11:49
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neb: Exactly, thus my suggestion to use weed mat which will allow some air flow.

 

An idea: Nail a few strips of timber to the macro before you attach the weedmat. That will leave a gap between the weedmat and macro.





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Installed my Redpath.co.nz gardens this weekend.

 


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