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  #2591040 23-Oct-2020 21:47
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pih: I wouldn't use builder's fill, it will crack due to expansion over time. Builder's fill sets rock hard and it doesn't tolerate any movement. If you were going to do it I'd do paintable silicone as suggested, and it shouldn't be too hard to make it look ok, but prep and tooling are the keys to a tidy silicone job.

The secret for making smooth silicone joints: squeeze a bead of silicone along the gap ensuring that you neatly and fully contact the two surfaces along the whole length of the gap - don't mind how the surface looks just yet, the seal is the most important, and it's best to overdo it rather than underdo it.

Then, quickly before the silicone skins over, use a spray bottle with lightly soapy water in it and spray the whole thing plus a wiping tool until everything is good and wet (could be a putty knife, spatula, old credit card, or just your finger) and neatly scrape the silicone level with the surface, frequently wiping the excess off on a paper towel and keeping the tool and work surface wet. Allow to dry then paint.

Gotchas:
- practise it first to get a feel for it
- the silicone won't stick to anything that's wet, so you have to ensure that everything you want the silicone to stick to has made contact before spraying
- just do one length at a time and allow to fully dry before doing the next stretch or the silicone won't stick where you might have oversprayed. If you do a long stretch before smoothing it will start curing and it's game over.
- not all silicones are paintable
- no silicone based fillers are sandable, so prep your wood before you silicone
Ensure the surface the silicone is adhering to is completely clean from oil (including fingerprints) and completely dry. Ideally wipe well with meths or IPA and allow to dry
- be wary of silicone-like polymer/co-polymer fillers like Selley's All Clear: these set quickly and the smoothing method I've shown above doesn't really work.

 

@pih What about that exposed raw gib edge? How would you deal with that?





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  #2591043 23-Oct-2020 21:51
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pih: I wouldn't use builder's fill, it will crack due to expansion over time. Builder's fill sets rock hard and it doesn't tolerate any movement. If you were going to do it I'd do paintable silicone as suggested, and it shouldn't be too hard to make it look ok, but prep and tooling are the keys to a tidy silicone job.

The secret for making smooth silicone joints: squeeze a bead of silicone along the gap ensuring that you neatly and fully contact the two surfaces along the whole length of the gap - don't mind how the surface looks just yet, the seal is the most important, and it's best to overdo it rather than underdo it.

Then, quickly before the silicone skins over, use a spray bottle with lightly soapy water in it and spray the whole thing plus a wiping tool until everything is good and wet (could be a putty knife, spatula, old credit card, or just your finger) and neatly scrape the silicone level with the surface, frequently wiping the excess off on a paper towel and keeping the tool and work surface wet. Allow to dry then paint.

Gotchas:
- practise it first to get a feel for it
- the silicone won't stick to anything that's wet, so you have to ensure that everything you want the silicone to stick to has made contact before spraying
- just do one length at a time and allow to fully dry before doing the next stretch or the silicone won't stick where you might have oversprayed. If you do a long stretch before smoothing it will start curing and it's game over.
- not all silicones are paintable
- no silicone based fillers are sandable, so prep your wood before you silicone
Ensure the surface the silicone is adhering to is completely clean from oil (including fingerprints) and completely dry. Ideally wipe well with meths or IPA and allow to dry
- be wary of silicone-like polymer/co-polymer fillers like Selley's All Clear: these set quickly and the smoothing method I've shown above doesn't really work.

 

 

 

would a sandable/paintable filler work?

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/polyfilla-380g-sandable-gap-filler_p1210617


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  #2591083 24-Oct-2020 06:27
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No, sandable fillers are generally different to flexible fillers. You need a flexible filler



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  #2591084 24-Oct-2020 06:36
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nickb800: No, sandable fillers are generally different to flexible fillers. You need a flexible filler


Something like this ?

https://www.selleys.co.nz/products/putty-and-fillers/flexible-gap-fillers/selleys-no-more-gaps-exterior-and-weatherboard/

Any suggestions for the gib?

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  #2591086 24-Oct-2020 07:02
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zyo:

 

eracode:

 

What about that raw gib edge? 

 

 

See my comment above, would that work?

 

 

Your interior photo shows that the vertical door tracks are mounted on top of the gib - probably with tech screws through the gib and into the framing beneath. To replace the gib with plywood, you’re effectively going to have to dismount the side of the door from the wall to get the gib off and the ply on. Doesn’t that sound difficult, dangerous, ridiculous, crazy ... ? I suppose you could completely remove the whole door setup, then remove the gib, install the ply - then put the door back up.

 

Notice that those well-meaning posters who have commented on how you might fill the gap between the two pieces of timber (without replacing the trim/capping) have not responded when specifically quizzed on how they would deal with the exposed gib edge.

 

Even if you did replace the gib with ply, you’re still going to have to deal with an exposed edge - which is not easy or simple to do.





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  #2591088 24-Oct-2020 07:26
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eracode:

 

Your interior photo shows that the vertical door tracks are mounted on top of the gib - probably with tech screws through the gib and into the framing beneath. To replace the gib with plywood, you’re effectively going to have to dismount the side of the door from the wall to get the gib off and the ply on. Doesn’t that sound tricky, dangerous, ridiculous, crazy ... ?

 

Notice that those well-meaning posters who have commented on how you might fill the gap between the two pieces of timber (without replacing the trim/capping) have not responded when specifically quizzed on how they would deal with the exposed gib edge.

 

Even if you did replace the gib with ply, you’re still going to have to deal with an exposed edge - which is not easy or simple to do.

 

 

 

 

Good point, let me post another pic of the track, if I cut the gib 20mm in and replace it with a long vertical piece of treated ply or timber (and make it flush with the frame), then potentially I do not have to dismount the door?

 

Having said that the tracks/door are going to be replace in a couple of weeks so I can do the replacement when the doors are off.

 


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  #2591091 24-Oct-2020 07:45
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Dog - meet bone. Go for it - knock yourself out. 

 

I’m out.





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  #2591093 24-Oct-2020 07:50
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eracode:

 

Dog - meet bone. Go for it - knock yourself out. 

 

I’m out.

 

 

 

 

I fully understand this sounds like a stupid exercise for little gain.😶


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  #2591108 24-Oct-2020 09:23
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A flexible filler might last longer in an area with a door opening and closing often. They're just more difficult to work with, but you've been given a good method. I find long term they can be less robust.

 

You could always try the two part builders fill, the Ados you linked to is probably the one I meant. If it cracks you'd remove it all and redo with a flexible one. If you don't need a perfect job use the flexible filler, the no more gaps exterior is good.

 

But as people have said, you should probably just put the boards on you took off.


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  #2591121 24-Oct-2020 10:17
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timmmay:

 

A flexible filler might last longer in an area with a door opening and closing often. They're just more difficult to work with, but you've been given a good method. I find long term they can be less robust.

 

You could always try the two part builders fill, the Ados you linked to is probably the one I meant. If it cracks you'd remove it all and redo with a flexible one. If you don't need a perfect job use the flexible filler, the no more gaps exterior is good.

 

But as people have said, you should probably just put the boards on you took off.

 

 

This is suggested by the carpenter/plastor.

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/turbo-500ml-builder-s-bog_p0712784

 

 

 

 


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  #2591264 24-Oct-2020 13:45
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That's a standard fill. Two-part fill dries incredibly quickly and very hard. Flexible paintable products cope with movement better. A standard filler doesn't have either of these advantages as far as I'm aware.

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  #2591265 24-Oct-2020 13:47
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timmmay: That's a standard fill. Two-part fill dries incredibly quickly and very hard. Flexible paintable products cope with movement better. A standard filler doesn't have either of these advantages as far as I'm aware.


Any suggestions that I can buy from Bunnings or metre10?

Something like this?
https://www.selleys.com.au/products/putty-and-fillers/flexible-gap-fillers/selleys-no-more-gaps-exterior-and-weatherboard/

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What's wrong with the existing garage door (apart from the way it's been built with the hinges and wheel brackets screwed in to what looks like timber mullions)?

 

You need a "decorative" timber jamb and lintel facing (the thing you've removed) flush with the interior lining / jib. A felt seal is stapled to that, so when the door closes it seals around the top and sides. 

 

Garage door suppliers will probably have a fit when they see what you've done - ie if they turn up and can't install the door.  They're also usually just subcontractors or on fixed rates per door, so good luck asking them for help fixing timberwork etc.  They'd usually get a builder in who knows what he's doing to sort it out, and expect it to be perfect/ready to go when they arrive.

 

That Builder's Bog will crack and probably fall out. 


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  #2591270 24-Oct-2020 13:53
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Fred99:

 

What's wrong with the existing garage door (apart from the way it's been built with the hinges and wheel brackets screwed in to what looks like timber mullions)?

 

You need a "decorative" timber jamb and lintel facing (the thing you've removed) flush with the interior lining / jib. A felt seal is stapled to that, so when the door closes it seals around the top and sides. 

 

Garage door suppliers will probably have a fit when they see what you've done - ie if they turn up and can't install the door.  They're also usually just subcontractors or on fixed rates per door, so good luck asking them for help fixing timberwork etc.  They'd usually get a builder in who knows what he's doing to sort it out, and expect it to be perfect/ready to go when they arrive.

 

That Builder's Bog will crack and probably fall out. 

 

 

Some of us have spent three pages of thread trying to impart that message. But it’s not getting through.

 

Oops - I’m supposed to be out.





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  #2591271 24-Oct-2020 13:54
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Fred99:

What's wrong with the existing garage door (apart from the way it's been built with the hinges and wheel brackets screwed in to what looks like timber mullions)?


You need a "decorative" timber jamb and lintel facing (the thing you've removed) flush with the interior lining / jib. A felt seal is stapled to that, so when the door closes it seals around the top and sides. 


Garage door suppliers will probably have a fit when they see what you've done - ie if they turn up and can't install the door.  They're also usually just subcontractors or on fixed rates per door, so good luck asking them for help fixing timberwork etc.  They'd usually get a builder in who knows what he's doing to sort it out, and expect it to be perfect/ready to go when they arrive.


That Builder's Bog will crack and probably fall out. 



Long story short, wife back her car into the garage door (rather the antenna caught the door as it was going up)
It being a cedar door the whole thing has to go including the opener and the tracks (which are 10+ year old)
Insurance paid out so it's going to be replaced with a steel one (hasnt been made yet)

Any suggestion of a builder that i can use in Auckland area (not sure how big this job is expected to be?)

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