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  #1674991 21-Nov-2016 13:46
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Once I work it out I'll let you know. If people don't think it's damaging it could be months until I find out.




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  #2448852 28-Mar-2020 14:15
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I have located the source of the noise, but not the cause. It sounds like coming from the copper sewage pipe that takes toilet waste.

 

We had the bathroom redone a while back. So as part of the sewage system under the bathroom we have:

 

  • A metal vent pipe maybe 80mm - 100mm that goes up to the roof and goes under the floor
  • A plastic pipe that connects the new toilet location to the old copper pipe
  • The old copper pipe that runs under the house

 

 

The noise is coming from about a foot past where the old copper pipe joins to the new plastic pipe. It sounds and feels like it's coming from there, but it could be reflected from elsewhere I guess. It happens most often and loudest when the wind is blowing a southerly.

 

Any ideas? What could be in the pipe / making the pipe make that noise?


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  #2448889 28-Mar-2020 15:09
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If it is in the wind, could it be pressure differential causing the pipe itself to flex? 




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  #2448954 28-Mar-2020 16:50
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I have no idea. I might just get my plumber around to replace that pipe, or at least get his opinion. After the shutdown finishes of course, this noise has been going on for 5 years.


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  #2448961 28-Mar-2020 16:58
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Is it cyclic/recurring, or just random? I suspect it is to do with air blowing across the top of the vent pipe and creating a vacuum. It could be sucking water from a trap or flexing somewhere.

 

How close to the roofline or other objects is the open end of the vent? Regardless of what causes the noise lower down, you may find moving the vent up/down/sideways in relation to whatever is near it may be enough to change the airflow and stop it happening.

 

Maybe a pic of the vent?


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  #2448965 28-Mar-2020 17:09
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timmmay:

 

I have no idea. I might just get my plumber around to replace that pipe, or at least get his opinion.

 

 

 

 

Might have to "find" a leak for plumbing call outs to qualify as "essential services"! 😄

 

 

 

 

 

Disclaimer: Don't actually make anything leak...


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  #2448968 28-Mar-2020 17:14
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RunningMan:

 

Is it cyclic/recurring, or just random? I suspect it is to do with air blowing across the top of the vent pipe and creating a vacuum. It could be sucking water from a trap or flexing somewhere.

 

How close to the roofline or other objects is the open end of the vent? Regardless of what causes the noise lower down, you may find moving the vent up/down/sideways in relation to whatever is near it may be enough to change the airflow and stop it happening.

 

Maybe a pic of the vent?

 

 

 

 

Sure, I've included them below thanks. Basically, the pipe comes out from under the house and goes up the side of the house, through the eaves and roof, and it goes up about a meter above the roof on the north side of the house. It has one of those little caps on top. Where the pipe comes out from under the house there's a bracket that's not secured one side, but as far as I can tell (I checked) it doesn't move at all there.

 

 

 

Here's where it goes under the house.

 

Click to see full size

 

 

 

Here's the vent on the roof - I had to stand a ways back to get this so it's pretty terrible sorry.

 

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  #2448971 28-Mar-2020 17:18
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mdf:

 

Might have to "find" a leak for plumbing call outs to qualify as "essential services"! 😄

 

 

Yeah after the shutdown finishes, and after he isn't busy again. No rush, I created this thread in 2016 ;)


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  #2448974 28-Mar-2020 17:25
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You might actually want to try screwing that bracket down if it is easy to do. Pipes can flex over a surprisingly long distance and it's sometimes only where they join something non/less flexible that you hear the noise. If the bracket is metal on a metal pipe (it looks like it), a plastic sleeve can help cushion the noise. Even a couple of turns of PVC or duct tape might help.


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  #2448975 28-Mar-2020 17:25
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Try changing the pipe dynamics in some way. Clamp it with something or put a rope around it and pull it to create tension. Obviously, don't break it, just change the stresses on it to see if it does anything. You might be surprised.

 

 





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  #2448984 28-Mar-2020 17:40
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Which way is south in the photo? Could be the way the air is bowing over the roofline and top of the vent pipe.


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  #2448992 28-Mar-2020 17:47
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Thanks guys. For some reason that existing clamp no longer reaches around the pipe, so I'll have to go to the hardware store in a few weeks to get one, unless by some miracle I have one in the shed. Maybe I can find a way to clamp it down, and under the house it isn't well secured.

 

Wind is absolutely blowing over the top of the pipe, it's pretty windy here today. It's on the opposite side of the house from the wind, but there's plenty of wind to go around everywhere.


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  #2449863 30-Mar-2020 08:40
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Ok, so after about five years of an annoying banging sound, I think I've solved it!

 

I put a bracket on the wall as suggested. My wife was amazed that  1) I had a suitable bracket in the shed and 2) I could find it in there! It helped a little, so I went under the house and tried to tie up the pipe. That didn't work well, I'd need metal straps.

 

I was in a slightly different area, and the wind was a bit different. I noticed that something was moving across the other side of the house where the sewer pipe exited the house. Getting a bit closer I found that a piece of fibre board around the sewer pipe wasn't fixed properly. When the wind blew it was hitting the pipe and a concrete pile, then when the wind died down it was going back to hit the wood on the other side. I found a bit of soft foam material under the house, crawled into a very narrow area and stuffed it in, then crawled out backwards. That's an ok temporary fix - one day when we replace the deck we'll have to fix it properly. If it starts up again I'll gladly pay a tradesman a couple of hundred dollars to go in that really quite horrible spot.

 

So that was it - fibre board hitting concrete, then fibre board hitting wood, which explained the two part clanging sound. The sound was being transmitted along the metal sewer pipe for many meters, and we could hear / feel it most clearly when using the toilet.


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  #2449864 30-Mar-2020 08:45
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Awesome - good to hear the update!


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