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#1832632 28-Jul-2017 08:51

Despite the recent spikes I'm still keen to give the Flick model a go.

As a rough guide, how much more are the line & Flick charges on top of the wholesale price quoted on em6live & similar? I saw earlier in the thread someone quoted 6.5c; is that about right?

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#1832634 28-Jul-2017 08:57

Resnick:

Despite the recent spikes I'm still keen to give the Flick model a go.

As a rough guide, how much more are the line & Flick charges on top of the wholesale price quoted on em6live & similar? I saw earlier in the thread someone quoted 6.5c; is that about right?

I want to know that too. I paid 24.5/kWh and 30c daily on Genesis, net of discount. Now on EK its 23c and 83c plus free hour of power. (Very happy too)

I'd like to know the Flick equivalent. Spot + what other cents to give the same full c/kWh. And daily, in case that's mixed in.

I know it varies, but in non spike, the all up cost must have a general range? I've seen 10c quoted

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#1832638 28-Jul-2017 09:08

You need to go onto the Flick website and look up the price schedule for your area. The Flick and line charges vary considerably depending on your plan and lines company.

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#1832639 28-Jul-2017 09:08

@Resnick @tdgeek the pricing is on the Flick website, it varies between region. In Wellington from memory it tends to be around 10c/kwh plus the spot price plus the daily charge.

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#1832645 28-Jul-2017 09:15

Indeed, many thanks! I don't know how I missed that, right there in front of me on the website .

Looks like I'll be paying 14c + spot per kWh.

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#1832654 28-Jul-2017 09:30

Thanks

Mine, ChCh seem to be:

Daily 91.66c

Peak at 12.39c Plus Winter Peak at 21.46c= 33.85c /kWh

Offpeak 4.74c /kWh

Is Spot that changes regularly, the Plus Winter Peak at 21.46c?

OffPeak and Peak remain at 4.74c/12.39c or do they vary also?

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#1832716 28-Jul-2017 10:34

Spot changes all the time, including during offpeak times. Average for spot is around 6-7cents, but obviously not at the moment!

IME in Christchurch you can expect to pay more than a normal power company during winter peak (mornings and evenings), but save a shedload the rest of the time. Especially as weekends are offpeak which is when we tend to do washing/roasts/etc

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#1832717 28-Jul-2017 10:37

nickb800:

Spot changes all the time, including during offpeak times. Average for spot is around 6-7cents, but obviously not at the moment!

IME in Christchurch you can expect to pay more than a normal power company during winter peak (mornings and evenings), but save a shedload the rest of the time. Especially as weekends are offpeak which is when we tend to do washing/roasts/etc

In my post 21.46c is spot?

Edit and the other variables are steady?

Peak at 12.39c

Offpeak 4.74c

These two stay the same day in and day out?

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#1832745 28-Jul-2017 11:21

tdgeek:

nickb800:

Spot changes all the time, including during offpeak times. Average for spot is around 6-7cents, but obviously not at the moment!

IME in Christchurch you can expect to pay more than a normal power company during winter peak (mornings and evenings), but save a shedload the rest of the time. Especially as weekends are offpeak which is when we tend to do washing/roasts/etc

In my post 21.46c is spot?

Edit and the other variables are steady?

Peak at 12.39c

Offpeak 4.74c

These two stay the same day in and day out?

21.46c is the fixed per unit charge during winter weekday mornings and evenings

4.74c is the fixed per unit charge during nights and weekends

12.39c is the fixed per unit charge during any other times (e.g weekday days or mornings/evenings outside of winter)

These will generally be revised annually as the lines company reviews it's charges (same as any company - even so called fixed price contracts).

So your per unit charge will = (spot price) + (21.46 or 4.74 or 12.39). If we assume spot price is 10cents (this is higher than average), then your per unit charge will be 31.46, 14.74, or 22.39 total charge per unit depending on time of day. Plus GST.

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#1832751 28-Jul-2017 11:35

nickb800:

tdgeek:

nickb800:

Spot changes all the time, including during offpeak times. Average for spot is around 6-7cents, but obviously not at the moment!

IME in Christchurch you can expect to pay more than a normal power company during winter peak (mornings and evenings), but save a shedload the rest of the time. Especially as weekends are offpeak which is when we tend to do washing/roasts/etc

In my post 21.46c is spot?

Edit and the other variables are steady?

Peak at 12.39c

Offpeak 4.74c

These two stay the same day in and day out?

21.46c is the fixed per unit charge during winter weekday mornings and evenings

4.74c is the fixed per unit charge during nights and weekends

12.39c is the fixed per unit charge during any other times (e.g weekday days or mornings/evenings outside of winter)

These will generally be revised annually as the lines company reviews it's charges (same as any company - even so called fixed price contracts).

So your per unit charge will = (spot price) + (21.46 or 4.74 or 12.39). If we assume spot price is 10cents (this is higher than average), then your per unit charge will be 31.46, 14.74, or 22.39 total charge per unit depending on time of day. Plus GST.

Cheers. What confused me was where the spot price is, the far right column looked like small numbers and dots but blown up to 210% it say Plus Spot

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#1833276 29-Jul-2017 10:28

I'm in Hawkes Bay with 2 meters, controlled and uncontrolled. Here's the pricing schedule. I switched to Flick in April on the Regular Uncontrolled/Controlelled Standard user plan. In June I got my detailed data from Flick and calculated if I would be better off on the Smart (Peak/Off-Peak) Standard plan. Based on the pricing schedule info it looked like I would have saved about $15 over the two months on the Smart plan, so this Monday I switched (waited till after the school holidays when I thought we'd be more likely to be using during peak times). My Flick dashboard started showing the new rates (up during peak, lower during off peak times) on Wednesday. According to the price schedule the times continue on the weekend, but this morning the price on my dashboard never increased to show the peak price during the peak hours. I called Flick to see if the schedule is incorrect as perhaps all weekend is actually off peak, but the woman I spoke to didn't know, and no one is in the office on the weekends who could answer the question. Does anyone here know if in Hawkes Bay weekends are considered off-peak, all weekend?

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#1833406 29-Jul-2017 14:57

Judging by that image, you're in the Hawke's Bay and on the Unison network.

The question is which Load Group they have you on. You can find this by going to here and putting in your ICP number, you will be looking for Distributor price category code.

Next go and look at the pricing disclosure for Unison, more specifically the methodology, which you can find here.

At the bottom of that page there is a list of metering codes, from scanning it I can tell you that you are probably listed as a "Residential Time of Use" and that Unison don't differentiate between weekdays and weekends.

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#1833419 29-Jul-2017 16:07

voy1d:

At the bottom of that page there is a list of metering codes, from scanning it I can tell you that you are probably listed as a "Residential Time of Use" and that Unison don't differentiate between weekdays and weekends.

Yes, that seems to be correct. So I guess there is a bug in Flick's software that generates the snapshot price. It had been working correctly Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, showing the purple "Other Charges" as 18.613c 7:00 - 11:00 am and 5:00 - 9:00pm, and 5.613c the rest of the time, but then today (Saturday) it didn't go up at 7:00 am. Here it was at 10:28 this morning:

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#1833421 29-Jul-2017 16:16

Yup, the best bet would be to check your bill when they send you the invoice and see what they say then.

But otherwise it looks like you are benefiting :)

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#1834503 31-Jul-2017 19:31

I'm in Auckland, South, on Pulse Energy, low user. Paying approx $0.2594 to $0.262 per kWh after GST

what's the numbers on Pulse or electric kiwi like with 425 kWh usage a month?

The annoying thing is on Pulse, I don't get daily usage data or half hourly usage data, just monthly usage. Which I'm not used to, and isn't that useful

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