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#171032 2-Apr-2015 14:33

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Lightbox, MediaWorks, Sky and TVNZ are taking action against Slingshot, Orcon and other ISPs over global mode. Story soon

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#1276132 2-Apr-2015 14:36

Story here - http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/copyright-global-mode-ng-170966

"In a statement, Lightbox, MediaWorks, Sky and TVNZ say they taking action against internet and technology companies who sell and promote services that enable access to international geo-blocked TV and movie services, which the broadcasters call a breach of copyright"

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#1276137 2-Apr-2015 14:41

This is so funny it hurts.

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#1276139 2-Apr-2015 14:41

Not sure this is even a copyright issue.. DRM bypass maybe?

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#1276140 2-Apr-2015 14:42

Are they also going to take action against overseas providers such as UnoTelly and Unblock-Us?

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#1276141 2-Apr-2015 14:43

Surely all it does is allow parallel importing? That is legal.

Are they going to then say we cannot buy DVDs, Games and Bluray from Amazon?

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#1276142 2-Apr-2015 14:45

trig42: Surely all it does is allow parallel importing? That is legal.

Are they going to then say we cannot buy DVDs, Games and Bluray from Amazon?

That would be the logical next step, if they were to take their core argument and apply it to other media.

So I wonder if they'll also go after NZ Post and other NZ companies that may offer freight forwarding options.

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#1276145 2-Apr-2015 14:47

This should be interesting :)

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#1276148 2-Apr-2015 14:49

Interesting.

Surprised it's taken this long to be honest, but I guess they had to make sure they had a good case before taking it to court.

They would know that taking this action is just going to result in a shed load more publicity for Global mode, so I assume they would only do it if they thought they had a very good chance of winning. So be warned global mode users. You may wish to switch to unblock-us or Unotelly which NZ has no jurisdiction over.

IMHO, what would be more 'useful' for these media people would be going to the studios instead and forcing them to live up to their end of the contract.
for example, if Sky has bought exclusive rights for, say, Sony content, then there would be terms in the contract between Sky and sony that Sony may not sell to anybody else distributing in that region. Sony should therefore be more stringent in applying the terms of their contracts with the likes of Netflix. Netflix know full well they are selling content to NZers that they do not have the right to sell, and know full well that blocking on the basis of IP address does not work, so Sky etc would argue that the studios should be making Netflix etc apply more stringent measures to reduce that to comply better with the terms of their contracts.

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#1276152 2-Apr-2015 14:51

Whitcoulls to complain buying books on Amazon is piracy.

VideoEzy to complain buying DVDs on Amazon is piracy.

Spark to complain buying smartphone from Expansys is piracy.

Idiocracy.

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#1276153 2-Apr-2015 14:55

They're a day late.

Audiophiles are such twits! They buy such pointless stuff: Gold plated cables, $2000 power cords. Idiots.

OOOHHHH HYPERFIBRE!

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#1276163 2-Apr-2015 15:02

Do Trademe complain because people use ebay? No, they are still creaming it, because they know and work in the local market. Sky could do the same. But I guess they just want to be stuck in the past (and us along with them).

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#1276165 2-Apr-2015 15:04

NonprayingMantis: Interesting.

Surprised it's taken this long to be honest, but I guess they had to make sure they had a good case before taking it to court.

They would know that taking this action is just going to result in a shed load more publicity for Global mode, so I assume they would only do it if they thought they had a very good chance of winning. So be warned global mode users. You may wish to switch to unblock-us or Unotelly which NZ has no jurisdiction over.

IMHO, what would be more 'useful' for these media people would be going to the studios instead and forcing them to live up to their end of the contract.
for example, if Sky has bought exclusive rights for, say, Sony content, then there would be terms in the contract between Sky and sony that Sony may not sell to anybody else distributing in that region. Sony should therefore be more stringent in applying the terms of their contracts with the likes of Netflix. Netflix know full well they are selling content to NZers that they do not have the right to sell, and know full well that blocking on the basis of IP address does not work, so Sky etc would argue that the studios should be making Netflix etc apply more stringent measures to reduce that to comply better with the terms of their contracts.

I can imagine how that conversation goes

"Hey Mr Sony, we represent xy&z company in New Zealand, we pay lots of dollars for exclusive rights to your content in NZ and Netflix are impinging on those rights allowing NZers to access overseas content"

Mr Sony (to his PA) - "where is New Zealand and do we actually deal with them? Their costs that they claim they are paying for rights, I thought that was a rounding error on our turnover".

Mr Sony to Netflix - "I have been asked by NZ for you to please stop allowing their citizens from paying you money to access content"
Netflix to Mr Sony "No, and if you bring it up again, we'll cancel our order for X billion dollars over the next 3 years"
Mr Sony to Netflix - "ooops, sorry, forget I mentioned it. We still on for golf next Thursday, $10,000 a hole?".
Mr Sony to NZ "Netflix have assured us they are doing all that can be done"

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#1276172 2-Apr-2015 15:11

I would expect it is a copyright issue much like sharing via Bittorrent.

If Netflix doesn't have a license to stream a movie to New Zealand then they can't possibly grant you a license to receive/watch it. So I would assume in this instance both you and Netflix are committing copyright infringement - one making the copy, the other receiving.

And even if Netflix did have a license to send a copy to you I assume using a VPN is breaking their ToS which would probably invalidate any license they could grant anyway.

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#1276173 2-Apr-2015 15:12

sen8or:
NonprayingMantis: Interesting.

Surprised it's taken this long to be honest, but I guess they had to make sure they had a good case before taking it to court.

They would know that taking this action is just going to result in a shed load more publicity for Global mode, so I assume they would only do it if they thought they had a very good chance of winning. So be warned global mode users. You may wish to switch to unblock-us or Unotelly which NZ has no jurisdiction over.

IMHO, what would be more 'useful' for these media people would be going to the studios instead and forcing them to live up to their end of the contract.
for example, if Sky has bought exclusive rights for, say, Sony content, then there would be terms in the contract between Sky and sony that Sony may not sell to anybody else distributing in that region. Sony should therefore be more stringent in applying the terms of their contracts with the likes of Netflix. Netflix know full well they are selling content to NZers that they do not have the right to sell, and know full well that blocking on the basis of IP address does not work, so Sky etc would argue that the studios should be making Netflix etc apply more stringent measures to reduce that to comply better with the terms of their contracts.

I can imagine how that conversation goes

"Hey Mr Sony, we represent xy&z company in New Zealand, we pay lots of dollars for exclusive rights to your content in NZ and Netflix are impinging on those rights allowing NZers to access overseas content"

Mr Sony (to his PA) - "where is New Zealand and do we actually deal with them? Their costs that they claim they are paying for rights, I thought that was a rounding error on our turnover".

Mr Sony to Netflix - "I have been asked by NZ for you to please stop allowing their citizens from paying you money to access content"
Netflix to Mr Sony "No, and if you bring it up again, we'll cancel our order for X billion dollars over the next 3 years"
Mr Sony to Netflix - "ooops, sorry, forget I mentioned it. We still on for golf next Thursday, $10,000 a hole?".
Mr Sony to NZ "Netflix have assured us they are doing all that can be done"

The studios will care, not because NZ is some major profit pool, but because the concept of removing geographical rights fundamentally undermines their entire business model.

If Netflix (and others) can get away with buying rights only for one territory, but distributing it everywhere, then the studios profit margins will shrink enormously.

The NZ market might be small but I read recently that bypass networks is now selling it's product to other ISPs overseas. You can bet the studios will start sitting up and taking notice then. (and maybe this is what has brought on this action).

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#1276182 2-Apr-2015 15:17

Memo to Lightbox. Less money on lawyers, more money on device roll out. Good idea?
Memo to Lightbox. Err, maybe punters are using global mode so they can access streaming via the multitude of devices that you don't support. Can you blame them?

(time to stop flogging this horse, I know).

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