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#1278154 7-Apr-2015 09:09

NonprayingMantis:
StarBlazer: I'm not saying *I* could, I'm saying that if content providers and broadcasters actually wanted to reduce piracy or geo-avoidance by offering a true global mode, that they could. The cynic in me suggests that they are happy with gouging the public and that nothing will change. Change always has to come from inside for it to be real and beneficial.

they make more money by selling exclusive regional rights, even if it means some people pirate.

So if it's a choice between making $400bn and having a bunch of people pirate your content, or making $300bn but having nobody pirate your content, they will pick the $400bn every time.

We agree then :)

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#1278156 7-Apr-2015 09:13

Until there are no such things as legal distribution and rights contracts for content, 'global modes' will always be contentious and cause broadcasters problems. I suspect that we'll see more lobbying from them on this front as they're paying for NZ exclusivity but not actually getting it.

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#1278158 7-Apr-2015 09:15

Slightly OT, but, now I have signed to Netflix in NZ, what' the best/fast/least intrusive VPN service to use - looking to pay around $5 per month

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#1278162 7-Apr-2015 09:21

dafman: Slightly OT, but, now I have signed to Netflix in NZ, what' the best/fast/least intrusive VPN service to use - looking to pay around $5 per month

Unblock-us or Unotelly.

Both roughly the same. I think unotelly has some geekzone discount, so maybe try that first.

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#1278179 7-Apr-2015 10:01

UnoTelly/Unblock-us DNS services should be all you need. I wouldn't worry about VPN options unless you have a specific requirement for VPN.

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#1278206 7-Apr-2015 10:49

dafman: Slightly OT, but, now I have signed to Netflix in NZ, what' the best/fast/least intrusive VPN service to use - looking to pay around $5 per month

So far I'm happy with Unotelly. Back on topic, I keep seeing comments about media companies paying for exclusivity and not getting it because of geo-block bypassing. What hasn't been specifically mentioned so far is that these companies want to preserve their exclusivity by cutting everyone off from a whole lot of other content which the companies here have NOT paid exclusive rights for. Just because TV2 wants to prevent me from seeing some teenage American high school series they have paid for that doesn't interest me anyway, does not mean they should be able to block access to other sites, like BBC or Arte, in which they have no investment at all. If this isn't greed-driven overkill, I don't know what is.

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#1278213 7-Apr-2015 10:58

Rikkitic:
dafman: Slightly OT, but, now I have signed to Netflix in NZ, what' the best/fast/least intrusive VPN service to use - looking to pay around $5 per month

So far I'm happy with Unotelly. Back on topic, I keep seeing comments about media companies paying for exclusivity and not getting it because of geo-block bypassing. What hasn't been specifically mentioned so far is that these companies want to preserve their exclusivity by cutting everyone off from a whole lot of other content which the companies here have NOT paid exclusive rights for. Just because TV2 wants to prevent me from seeing some teenage American high school series they have paid for that doesn't interest me anyway, does not mean they should be able to block access to other sites, like BBC or Arte, in which they have no investment at all. If this isn't greed-driven overkill, I don't know what is.

pretty sure Lightbox, Sky, TVNZ etc all buy rights to BBC shows for NZ.

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#1278225 7-Apr-2015 11:06

Sure - leave his example aside and concentrate on the message. There are many other programs available from these services that aren't being distributed in New Zealand and maybe never will.

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#1278228 7-Apr-2015 11:15

/Sarcasm

Won't someone think of the Rights Holders

/Sarcasm

Until they move, we won't get traction on a global distribution model, and until then I suspect we will see broadcasters protect their investments as much as they can as well as rights holders attempt to protect their content from viewing in countries not licensed, after all they own the rights and can dictate who sees what.

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#1278231 7-Apr-2015 11:24

One only has to spend some time on iStreamGuide to realise the variation by region within Netflix and thus quantifying using a service like Unotelly that is set up to deal with this simply

There must be very few consumers that will argue about paying $5/mth for a third party service if this action gets any traction hence it is just such a pointless exercise that can only harm the public perception of the corporates trying to pull the strings

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#1278240 7-Apr-2015 11:37

Wade: One only has to spend some time on iStreamGuide to realise the variation by region within Netflix and thus quantifying using a service like Unotelly that is set up to deal with this simply

There must be very few consumers that will argue about paying $5/mth for a third party service if this action gets any traction hence it is just such a pointless exercise that can only harm the public perception of the corporates trying to pull the strings

for most people (i.e. not geekzone users) the hassle of actually implementing Unotelly etc is pretty signficant. It's simply too much trouble to be worth bothering with. The last thing they want to do is start messing around with DNS in their router or devices.

Global mode makes smart DNS available to the masses. I would think if Sky etc got Global mode shut down, they would be fine with letting people use unotelly etc. The people who use global mode are the kind who would probably pay for NZ Netflix, Lightbox, Sky etc if they couldn't get Netflix USA.
The people who Unotelly that are the kind of people who would probably just pirate if they couldn't get Netflix USA, so there is little benefit to shutting it down, even if they could, which they can't/

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#1278249 7-Apr-2015 11:45

NonprayingMantis:
Wade: One only has to spend some time on iStreamGuide to realise the variation by region within Netflix and thus quantifying using a service like Unotelly that is set up to deal with this simply

There must be very few consumers that will argue about paying $5/mth for a third party service if this action gets any traction hence it is just such a pointless exercise that can only harm the public perception of the corporates trying to pull the strings

for most people (i.e. not geekzone users) the hassle of actually implementing Unotelly etc is pretty signficant. It's simply too much trouble to be worth bothering with. The last thing they want to do is start messing around with DNS in their router or devices.

Global mode makes smart DNS available to the masses. I would think if Sky etc got Global mode shut down, they would be fine with letting people use unotelly etc. The people who use global mode are the kind who would probably pay for NZ Netflix, Lightbox, Sky etc if they couldn't get Netflix USA.
The people who Unotelly that are the kind of people who would probably just pirate if they couldn't get Netflix USA, so there is little benefit to shutting it down, even if they could, which they can't/

I was talking to a girl on Sunday who started preaching to me about how awesome netflix is ('did you know about unblock-us?' she said in the same breath as 'we subscribe to sky, it's 70 a month and we never use it) As previous posters have said I think it's starting to catch on.

They make it relatively easy, a lot of people will also be using Hola unblocker I'd imagine.

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#1278253 7-Apr-2015 11:53

The music industry works fine without exclusivity contracts. Spotify has probably reduced piracy in the music industry quite considerably because they offer free or low monthly subscription to all you can eat content. Yes, the artists and all the people in the middle get a fraction of what they used to in the per play model that they did under the per disc model - those that don't like it have pulled their music off Spotify. I wonder if the piracy of Taylor Swift's music went up after that announcement.

Apply the geo-blocked distribution model to music. Can you imagine if Band X only dealt with Radio ABC in New Zealand. What are the options? Most possibly wouldn't care, some might switch radio stations others would try to source the album from somewhere else. What if Radio ABC also prevented the distribution of the CD in New Zealand until they finished reaping the benefit of broadcast or maybe only played 3 of the songs from the album because of poor listener figures but still prevented the other stations from playing the album? What would you do if you could listen to that CD as much as you like by using a VPN/DNS mask to avoid the geo-blocking - would you? People might even go to the extreme of setting up a ship in the sea to broadcast this and other music - Imagine that!!!

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Why do we have to accept this distribution model for video content?

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#1278256 7-Apr-2015 12:01

NonprayingMantis:
Rikkitic:
dafman: Slightly OT, but, now I have signed to Netflix in NZ, what' the best/fast/least intrusive VPN service to use - looking to pay around $5 per month

So far I'm happy with Unotelly. Back on topic, I keep seeing comments about media companies paying for exclusivity and not getting it because of geo-block bypassing. What hasn't been specifically mentioned so far is that these companies want to preserve their exclusivity by cutting everyone off from a whole lot of other content which the companies here have NOT paid exclusive rights for. Just because TV2 wants to prevent me from seeing some teenage American high school series they have paid for that doesn't interest me anyway, does not mean they should be able to block access to other sites, like BBC or Arte, in which they have no investment at all. If this isn't greed-driven overkill, I don't know what is.

pretty sure Lightbox, Sky, TVNZ etc all buy rights to BBC shows for NZ.

A shame they don't actually broadcast many of them then. Probably the biggest change in viewing habits in my house since switching from Sky to freeview/iplayer/Netflix is that my kids watch quality TV instead of the unmitigated stream of cr@p that passes for kids' TV on Sky. Oh, and I torrent virtually nothing

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#1278258 7-Apr-2015 12:04

StarBlazer: The music industry works fine without exclusivity contracts. Spotify has probably reduced piracy in the music industry quite considerably because they offer free or low monthly subscription to all you can eat content. Yes, the artists and all the people in the middle get a fraction of what they used to in the per play model that they did under the per disc model - those that don't like it have pulled their music off Spotify. I wonder if the piracy of Taylor Swift's music went up after that announcement.

Apply the geo-blocked distribution model to music. Can you imagine if Band X only dealt with Radio ABC in New Zealand. What are the options? Most possibly wouldn't care, some might switch radio stations others would try to source the album from somewhere else. What if Radio ABC also prevented the distribution of the CD in New Zealand until they finished reaping the benefit of broadcast or maybe only played 3 of the songs from the album because of poor listener figures but still prevented the other stations from playing the album? What would you do if you could listen to that CD as much as you like by using a VPN/DNS mask to avoid the geo-blocking - would you? People might even go to the extreme of setting up a ship in the sea to broadcast this and other music - Imagine that!!!

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Why do we have to accept this distribution model for video content?

the difference between music and video is that music never had windowing schedules, or broadcast schedules.

with video you have this whole windowing thing that is designed to maximise profit from the acts of watching the content.

Music albums exist really only as a means to promote the artists live tours, which is where they really make the money.

for movies there is a complex window system to unwind

Cinema - > rental/purchase (DVD or TVOD like iTunes -> pay TV (sky movies) -> FTA/SVOD

The reason for this instead of simultaneous world wide release is because there is an enormous premium attached to watching content as soon as possible - i.e. you want to watch Game of thrones as quickly as possible after it first airs, ideally live. The longer you wait, the less valuable that content becomes. People don't tend to have many repeat viewings of content either. I love game of thrones, but have watched the whole thing through maybe 2-3 times. whereas my favourite album I have listened to probably hundreds of times.

With music, fewer people care about listening to an album the instant it gets released, so windowing has never been an issue, and getting exclusive rights has never been all that important.

Also, people never had scheduled broadcasts of music as they do with TV i.e. music has never really been "tune in tonight at 9pm to catch Taylow Swift's latest album "

Scheduling by region also plays a big part in Video - for things like school holidays, different seasons, time zones etc.

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