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#1276184 2-Apr-2015 15:19

trig42: Surely all it does is allow parallel importing? That is legal.

Are they going to then say we cannot buy DVDs, Games and Bluray from Amazon?

I suspect what they will argue is that the "copyright" is only granted for cerain geographic areas and being a digital good it can be legal in one area and illegal in another,

The response will be that Digital goods should be treated the same as physical goods, and once copyright is granted it is legit to shift it round the world.

Might turn up some interesting Digital precidents,

But I cannot really see it suceeding given that there is all sorts of legislation in NZ empahsing that Digital permissions (signatures, PDFs of legisalation etc are given the same standing as the physical version)

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#1276189 2-Apr-2015 15:28

xpd: Story here - http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/copyright-global-mode-ng-170966

"In a statement, Lightbox, MediaWorks, Sky and TVNZ say they taking action against internet and technology companies who sell and promote services that enable access to international geo-blocked TV and movie services, which the broadcasters call a breach of copyright"

Emphasis added.
They already don't sell the feature (it doesn't cost anything), so f they stop promoting it....then they wont have anyone left to 'take action against'.

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#1276190 2-Apr-2015 15:28

davidrg: I would expect it is a copyright issue much like sharing via Bittorrent.

If Netflix doesn't have a license to stream a movie to New Zealand then they can't possibly grant you a license to receive/watch it. So I would assume in this instance both you and Netflix are committing copyright infringement - one making the copy, the other receiving.

And even if Netflix did have a license to send a copy to you I assume using a VPN is breaking their ToS which would probably invalidate any license they could grant anyway.

Yes but that would then be Netflix at fault and not the ISP. The ISPs are simply routing traffic differently. It is Netflix who are "breaching" their license TOS when showing content licensed to specific regions to Kiwis.

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#1276199 2-Apr-2015 15:49

You can just imagine all of these dinosaurs sitting around the boardroom complaining about 'pirates', god what a bunch of fools. Supply and demand dictates that people will always find a way to get what they want.

Is it possible for ISP's to prevent DNS settings being changed on routers etc?

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#1276203 2-Apr-2015 15:53

MileHighKiwi: Is it possible for ISP's to prevent DNS settings being changed on routers etc?

It's possible for an ISP to hijack all (at least, clear-text) DNS requests to forward to their servers instead.

Unethical and a turd-a-licious thing to do, but possible.

Then you'd just have to run your own DNS proxy at home that forwarded requests over a VPN.

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#1276205 2-Apr-2015 15:57

You silly dinosaurs Spark, Mediaworks and Sky. I hope you have people who read this thread.

You have just effectively tried to sue any organization that exposes a non local IP address exit point. That includes legitimate VPN providers and Dedicated / VPS hosting solutions like EC2 and Godaddy because any of these services would allow the person to access the content you deem illegal

Can you please go after people with non NZ iTunes accounts too as they can also purchase 'illegal' content not for NZ consumption? What retards. Dump your lawyers and marketing department and actually come up with decent content and solutions for NZ

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#1276206 2-Apr-2015 15:57

So theyre not happy we're watching "unlicensed" content from overseas sources.

I dont see Sky and co. chasing down people who have 3m+ sat dishes for picking up overseas content.....

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#1276208 2-Apr-2015 15:59

Apparently Orcon don't have a pair.

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#1276211 2-Apr-2015 16:02

Oh, Ok , So after reading their Press Release it appears that all they are doing is sending nasty lawyer letters to the ISPs, who will in the fullness of time no doubt respond with a nicely worded lawyer's letter that essentially says "get screwed"

Until there is an actual high court case filed nothing is going to happen.

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#1276232 2-Apr-2015 16:23

If Netflix have NZ and US rights to something, why would they care which location you streamed it from?

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#1276235 2-Apr-2015 16:30

Don't really want to get to much into this - it isn't my area of expertise and it's a legal conversation happening business 2 business.

The legal action is strictly directed against ISPs that promote and benefit from copyright being breached (even if they themselves do not do so directly).

Does anyone disagree that the rights have been sold in NZ and that ISPs are gaining a benefit from said rights being breached?

Lightbox - we are online TV.

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#1276239 2-Apr-2015 16:38

I disagree. It is no different than buying a book or DVD on Amazon and having it shipped here.

The companies involved look like greedy corporates. We don't need this crap in New Zealand.

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#1276248 2-Apr-2015 16:53

Lightbox: Don't really want to get to much into this - it isn't my area of expertise and it's a legal conversation happening business 2 business.

The legal action is strictly directed against ISPs that promote and benefit from copyright being breached (even if they themselves do not do so directly).

Does anyone disagree that the rights have been sold in NZ and that ISPs are gaining a benefit from said rights being breached?

April fools was yesterday.

Its back to intelligence today.

By the way, totally against exclusive content rights.

Just like any book, dvd, computer component, hell... even my phone and internet, I want to purchase from the supplier of my choice.

I guess Spark hasn't learned much from the Telecom days of trying to force monopolies.

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#1276249 2-Apr-2015 16:55

NZCrusader:
Lightbox: Don't really want to get to much into this - it isn't my area of expertise and it's a legal conversation happening business 2 business.

The legal action is strictly directed against ISPs that promote and benefit from copyright being breached (even if they themselves do not do so directly).

Does anyone disagree that the rights have been sold in NZ and that ISPs are gaining a benefit from said rights being breached?

April fools was yesterday.

Its back to intelligence today.

By the way, totally against exclusive content rights.

Just like any book, dvd, computer component, hell... even my phone and internet, I want to purchase from the supplier of my choice.

I guess Spark hasn't learned much from the Telecom days of trying to force monopolies.

You know that Netflix buys a huge amount of content exclusively, right?
(As does basically every provider who wants to succeed)

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#1276250 2-Apr-2015 16:59

Lightbox: Does anyone disagree that the rights have been sold in NZ and that ISPs are gaining a benefit from said rights being breached?

People don't buy internet services with the primary focus on breaching content right TOS. I think you will find it hard to prove the ISP's are benefitting from these services. I think customers benefit as they don't have to pay for overseas VPN services.

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