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  #1279205 8-Apr-2015 19:10
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  #1279270 8-Apr-2015 20:21
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freitasm: CallPlus just issued this statement:


Callplus, and its subsidiaries Slingshot, Orcon and Flip, strongly believe that access to the internet via Global Mode is completely legal.

The threat of legal action by TVNZ, Mediaworks, SKY and Spark is merely an attempt to restrict consumer choice in favour of their profits.

These companies want to control the internet. They want to restrict what Kiwis can do online.

To claim it’s a business to business issue is nonsense. This is an issue that impacts every Kiwi consumer. These four large corporates want to dictate what you can watch, when you can watch it, and how much you pay for it.

We are in an era of change. The traditional TV model is changing. These companies need to change with it.

Trying to restrict what you do online is old school non Internet thinking, and shows just how out of touch they are.

The Kiwi public are behind us – just look at the comments on news articles over the past days. These companies need to listen to their audience, and work harder to give consumers what they want.





Wow, that's a big middle finger to the 'establishment', lol. Good on them, they're sticking to their guns and believe they are not breaking any laws.

This is gona get interesting.

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  #1279281 8-Apr-2015 20:57

freitasm: This is so funny it hurts. 


Just checking in whether you still think this is funny or whether you have moved to "mild concern"?



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  #1279282 8-Apr-2015 21:06
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Here is the way I look at this.

Say you have a Video you produced and sent to your mate and as a condition of him (or her) receiving the video, they agreed not to share it with anyone.

Along comes a "service" that lets everyone potentially access this video.
Now this video is of you being caught in a position doing something that means your going to jail. No parole. No contact from anyone. remember this is your private video (and this is all hypothetical)

Would you be happy with someone seeing this video apart from your mate?

Along comes a lawyer.
Lawyer, before you send this video to your mate says "Woa hang on, lets make it so you can't share this and if you do your out of my circle of friends."
The "service" comes along and says..."Hmmm this looks interesting... lets let everyone see everyone" and just like that YOUR private video is out in the public domain even tho your mate has done noting wrong, someone else who has essentially lied about who (where) they are now has access to it... 

I don't use an unblocking service, my mysky+ has enough on it and variety for my wife and me. I find if you look carefully enough there is entertainment there to be found.


just my 2 cents, I am sure its wrong but hey this is my 3/4 post to geek zone so be nice.



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  #1279284 8-Apr-2015 21:08
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wingbat45: Here is the way I look at this.

Say you have a Video you produced and sent to your mate and as a condition of him (or her) receiving the video, they agreed not to share it with anyone.


So you are likening netflix with kiddy pron and snuff videos? Ok.




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  #1279287 8-Apr-2015 21:11
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MileHighKiwi:
freitasm: CallPlus just issued this statement:


Callplus, and its subsidiaries Slingshot, Orcon and Flip, strongly believe that access to the internet via Global Mode is completely legal.

The threat of legal action by TVNZ, Mediaworks, SKY and Spark is merely an attempt to restrict consumer choice in favour of their profits.

These companies want to control the internet. They want to restrict what Kiwis can do online.

To claim it’s a business to business issue is nonsense. This is an issue that impacts every Kiwi consumer. These four large corporates want to dictate what you can watch, when you can watch it, and how much you pay for it.

We are in an era of change. The traditional TV model is changing. These companies need to change with it.

Trying to restrict what you do online is old school non Internet thinking, and shows just how out of touch they are.

The Kiwi public are behind us – just look at the comments on news articles over the past days. These companies need to listen to their audience, and work harder to give consumers what they want.





Wow, that's a big middle finger to the 'establishment', lol. Good on them, they're sticking to their guns and believe they are not breaking any laws.

This is gona get interesting.


it would be a big middle finger if they had said they would defend it in court.  They haven't actually said that, which means they may be considering their options.

Lots of emotive language, not much actual 'statement' after the first sentence.


Whilst the other smaller ISPs might have the excuse of not having the funds to fight it in court, the same cannot be said for Callplus.  If they truly believe it's legal, they will definitely have the funds to go to court. 


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  #1279290 8-Apr-2015 21:12
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This is going to get interesting.  If this is not found to be in breach of legal distribution rights then I can see broadcasters being able to purchase decent content changing.  This would cripple Sky financially and would likely affect the terrestrial broadcasters too as ad companies are likely to pay less to the companies as they're not certain of returns on investment... The Sky example is fairly obvious (although Sport may still save it), but TVNZ for example has the rights to the Vampire Diaries and so an ad company will be confident of getting a good viewing hit on the ads paid for that show, now if you can get the Vampire Diaries by other means that do not pay TVNZ for their ad time, the ad money received by TVNZ may diminish as the ad companies will no longer be confident in getting a large amount of hits and this will affect TVNZs ability to purchase new content.

Is this something that others can see because it is a worry to me that by allowing access to international streams, you are no longer providing local broadcasters with as high a revenue stream and that could be disastrous for all parties.

 
 
 

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  #1279293 8-Apr-2015 21:19
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Benoire:
Is this something that others can see because it is a worry to me that by allowing access to international streams, you are no longer providing local broadcasters with as high a revenue stream and that could be disastrous for all parties.


To they can either evolve to deal with the change in marketplace or they can die.

Not treating online delivery like a bastard stepchild they would rather not deal with would be a good start. Availability at the same time as broadcast, HD like the broadcast, etc.




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  #1279295 8-Apr-2015 21:22
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Benoire:
The Sky example is fairly obvious (although Sport may still save it), but TVNZ for example has the rights to the Vampire Diaries and so an ad company will be confident of getting a good viewing hit on the ads paid for that show, now if you can get the Vampire Diaries by other means that do not pay TVNZ for their ad time, the ad money received by TVNZ may diminish as the ad companies will no longer be confident in getting a large amount of hits and this will affect TVNZs ability to purchase new content.


I know how that works in other markets, and advertisers pay based on viewers that see the ad, based on a poll of viewers with equipment that measures which channels they watch and when.

So the content being available in a million other places does not matter if, say TVNZs, viewership keeps up and they watch the same shows.

Competition like Netflix and other VOD services will make it harder to be a traditional broadcaster. What I would expect the TV-channels that want to survive to do is to produce more local and engaging content where people can participate through social media in real time as it happens. (Like X-factor, Idol, and other such programs).

Showing the same series you can get anywhere else will get less and less valuable for traditional TV as viewers get smarter in their consummation of the content. Personally I have been done with having to deal with TV-schedules for many years and couldn't imaging going back to it.




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  #1279297 8-Apr-2015 21:26
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richms:
Benoire:
Is this something that others can see because it is a worry to me that by allowing access to international streams, you are no longer providing local broadcasters with as high a revenue stream and that could be disastrous for all parties.


To they can either evolve to deal with the change in marketplace or they can die.



So, how can a small set of broadcasters from little New Zealand with a limited population to extract money from compete with the likes of the BBC (whom NO one pays a dollar for in this Country currently for their content) or the giant that is Netflix?  We've seen lightbox, who are trying to deal with the VoD in NZ sign up to this action as this would put them in a serious position, yet they are trying to change and evolve but international access really puts them on the back foot (let alone the GST price difference).

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  #1279299 8-Apr-2015 21:31
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Benoire:
The Sky example is fairly obvious (although Sport may still save it), but TVNZ for example has the rights to the Vampire Diaries and so an ad company will be confident of getting a good viewing hit on the ads paid for that show, now if you can get the Vampire Diaries by other means that do not pay TVNZ for their ad time, the ad money received by TVNZ may diminish as the ad companies will no longer be confident in getting a large amount of hits and this will affect TVNZs ability to purchase new content.


I know how that works in other markets, and advertisers pay based on viewers that see the ad, based on a poll of viewers with equipment that measures which channels they watch and when.

So the content being available in a million other places does not matter if, say TVNZs, viewership keeps up and they watch the same shows.

Competition like Netflix and other VOD services will make it harder to be a traditional broadcaster. What I would expect the TV-channels that want to survive to do is to produce more local and engaging content where people can participate through social media in real time as it happens. (Like X-factor, Idol, and other such programs).

Showing the same series you can get anywhere else will get less and less valuable for traditional TV as viewers get smarter in their consummation of the content. Personally I have been done with having to deal with TV-schedules for many years and couldn't imaging going back to it.


Yeah, as long as the viewership remains high... but if the rights are no longer exclusive then why would you wait for TVNZ to show a programme when it is often delayed?  TVNZ have got around this by trying to play as soon as it has aired in the states, but still if the system enabled anyone who had global mode to access the content earlier than the local rights allow I'm sure they would...

I guess one of my main fears is that the whole internet TV revolution removes the ease of the TV control for selecting shows and may require individual apps to access content with no central management or remind function... Now, imagine if all these apps where only available on Samsung devices and local domestic programming had nothing so you had to use a webpage... I can't imagine anything worse!

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  #1279300 8-Apr-2015 21:32
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richms:
wingbat45: Here is the way I look at this.

Say you have a Video you produced and sent to your mate and as a condition of him (or her) receiving the video, they agreed not to share it with anyone.


So you are likening netflix with kiddy pron and snuff videos? Ok.


If you want to draw that conclusion, but remember its YOUR video.

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Its your video you made so the content in the video is yours originally.


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  #1279326 8-Apr-2015 21:40
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Benoire:  
I guess one of my main fears is that the whole internet TV revolution removes the ease of the TV control for selecting shows and may require individual apps to access content with no central management or remind function... Now, imagine if all these apps where only available on Samsung devices and local domestic programming had nothing so you had to use a webpage... I can't imagine anything worse!


So your fears for the future is that Smart-TVs, AppleTVs, Fire TVs, Rokus etc. are going to disappear? 

With a few exceptions my TV reality is using the Smart-TV to look at content on demand from TVNZ and TV3, using the FireTV to watch Netflix and Hulu, and the AppleTV to rent movies from iTunes US (most of the time its the same movies being shown in cinemas here). I also watch norwegian TV through an AppleTV I have setup with a norwegian account.

Oh, and there is a DishTV satellite PVR box with the free Freeview channels in my setup, so I can catch some of the things that are not available on VOD through the SmartTV. But I hardly ever watch the on Air channels, either as recordings or live. I doubt I would notice if they went off air.

I don't think you need to fear the demise of local TV, but they might have to change to being more local based and not just spew out the same content that is available everywhere else.

Oh, and just getting off the need to keep schedules for when to watch what is so worth getting a smart device like the AppleTV or FireTV.




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  #1279330 8-Apr-2015 21:45
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Nope, that services become more and more tied to them.  We've already seen that TVNZ is not going to support the 2011 Samsung Smart TVs anymore with their application... So if internet TV is the revolution, then you're etiher going to need a PC/MAC/laptop close by (and therefore the cumbersome of accessing content that way), a smart TV box that isn't tied to brands (Apple TV for example still doesn't have all apps or content), or some form of other set top box.... you'll be forced to have no other choice.

I don't fear the demise of local TV, even though that could happen, I fear the reliance on streaming technology and broadcasters being bought by suppliers of the devices (e.g. TVNZ and Samsung, PLP and Samsung, etc.). I also dislike that there is no ability for a single place to house all my content and the ability to be reminded within the system such as Sky, freeview currently can do.

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  #1279334 8-Apr-2015 21:55
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But what do you need to be reminded of? If you want to watch something, then go watch something.

Being reminded of something on is a symptom of scheduled delivery. the whole thing that going to online on demand is supposted to eliminate.




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