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#1279346 8-Apr-2015 22:04

For me, being reminded something is on is important as without it I forget there is stuff I wanted to watch. I have a busy 2 year old and a busy work life that means my evenings are often all over the place. If I had to run lots of apps to watch content and they where not able to remind me, how and when do I know their available? Do you know when everything you want to watch is on, or do you just see what there is an watch it, I struggle to know what is on TV3 or TVNZ at present let alone other content distributers!

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#1279364 8-Apr-2015 22:49

I tend to think that a court would side with the ISP's but that sky\lightbox and co will use the decision as a legal precedent against the content providers to say "we can no longer be assured of exclusive rights for NZ" and re-negotiate content agreements.
I'll certainly be watching to see how it pans out.

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#1279418 9-Apr-2015 07:52

Amosnz: I tend to think that a court would side with the ISP's but that sky\lightbox and co will use the decision as a legal precedent against the content providers to say "we can no longer be assured of exclusive rights for NZ" and re-negotiate content agreements.
I'll certainly be watching to see how it pans out.

Hmmmm. That's an interesting interpretation.

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#1279437 9-Apr-2015 08:36

ubergeeknz:

I have some unwell facial hair to deal with this for me.

Is this some kind of colloquialism? I have no idea what it means.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#1279438 9-Apr-2015 08:36

Rikkitic:
ubergeeknz:

I have some unwell facial hair to deal with this for me.

Is this some kind of colloquialism? I have no idea what it means.

If you have to ask ...

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#1279439 9-Apr-2015 08:37

Benoire:
richms:
Benoire:
Is this something that others can see because it is a worry to me that by allowing access to international streams, you are no longer providing local broadcasters with as high a revenue stream and that could be disastrous for all parties.

To they can either evolve to deal with the change in marketplace or they can die.

So, how can a small set of broadcasters from little New Zealand with a limited population to extract money from compete with the likes of the BBC (whom NO one pays a dollar for in this Country currently for their content) or the giant that is Netflix?

Maybe they don't compete? Maybe there is a niche for a local content provider, but outside of that, maybe the best option is game over? The world is changing and trying to restrict kiwis' access to vast libraries of international content via a small group of local rights holders may no longer be the way to go? After all, we no longer assemble cars in NZ, or build fridges or washing machines ...

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#1279443 9-Apr-2015 08:43

ubergeeknz:
Rikkitic:
ubergeeknz:

I have some unwell facial hair to deal with this for me.

Is this some kind of colloquialism? I have no idea what it means.

If you have to ask ...

ha ha - cryptic. Do you write crossword puzzles also?

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#1279474 9-Apr-2015 09:09

A potential solution for Sky, TVNZ, Mediaworks, Lightbox is to combine their services in one single location.

- Make all content available ASAP, no need for schedule online.
- Make the app for all devices ASAP.
- Make sure HD is available and push 4K ASAP.
- Pay per view or monthly subs for sky content. Just like now.
- Ad's for free content. Just like now.

Worst case should be all Freeview content available from Freeview Apps/online in one location and in HD. Ad supported. Drop the TVNZ/3 on demand crap. Sky still charge an arm and leg but their content is available on their own platform (Neon) just like it is on a Sky Box, $46 a month for this, add movies, sport etc. Drop the HD charge. Or better yet subscribe to the actual shows you want for a reasonable price. GOT season for $30, All Blacks season $50.

At least it is moving in the right direction, not like this law suit crap.

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#1279662 9-Apr-2015 14:22

richms: But what do you need to be reminded of? If you want to watch something, then go watch something.

Being reminded of something on is a symptom of scheduled delivery. the whole thing that going to online on demand is supposted to eliminate.

True. Using the iPlayer on my Samsung TV the front screen shows me what's new and what's popular to help me find other stuff to watch. Additionally there are shows by channel and shows by Genre and you can create favourites. The same applies to ITV, 4OD and Five - they all implement it slightly differently but follow a similar route.

I'm not a fan of the Netflix "recommendations" screen on the Samsung. I tend to go to the website to find something and then use the search option on the app.

I also use TVRename on my PC as a reminder. Add the TV series to your list and it will read the TVDB.com (I'm guessing that URL) for listing information so you know when it's on and how far you are through the season. You also know when there are breaks (hiatus) and when the next season is going to start.

The paradigm of linear broadcast is slowly being replaced by on demand. It's a bit like using Spotify to listen to music instead of listening to the radio but without all the talky bits.

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#1279848 9-Apr-2015 17:10

There have been a lot of analagies floating around about how we should think about global mode, some worse than others.
Spark, for example, have likened it to selling tickets to watch a concert through a hole in the fence. I don't think that analogy applies because with global mode, the providers are still getting paid, just not in the way they want.

Here is my 'attempt' at an analogy. see what you guys think.

A lot of services and businesses offer special deals for certain people. For example, cheaper rides on the bus for seniors, interest free overdrafts for students but not for working professionals, free entry to the domain museum for aucklanders. The list goes on. In some cases it's simply a better price, in other cases it's actual items or service that people who aren't in the special group cannot otherwise buy. This is known in economics as price discrimination.

As a local example, I think this extends pretty well to the whole global content kerfuffle.

Netflix has different pricing around the world, and offers different products to different people based on their location. This is also price discrimination just with a different group of people in mind.

So now imagine there was an NZ company who's business model was to sell fake id. They say it shouldnt be used for faking your identiy at businesses, but they also make it very clear you can use it to get discounts and special treatment at various businesses, even specifying which businesses it works at and what you can get.
This is, to my mind, a non-digital version of what global mode does.

Should we regard that business, the one that sells the fake id, as either legally or morally acceptable? How about people who use it. Should we think it is totally ok for people to pretend to be seniors to get cheaper public transport, pretend to be aucklanders to get free entry to the domain, or pretend to be students to avoid paying interest.

Interested in your guys thoughts about whether this analagy holds up or not, and if not, why not?

EtA: I wouldn't be all that surprised if there were business like this,, although I suspect they don't go into detail about how to use your fake id, they would just say it's for Novelty purposes only. This might be a crucial difference between global mode, which is explicit about how you can use it, and might end up being slingshots downfall.

ETa2: for the sake of clarity, I'm excluding the purchase of fake id for the purpose of buying alcohol, driving underage, benefit fraud or similar illegal purposes. I'm only talking about thhe us of fake id to get special treatment like discounts or extra products. (Which still might be considered fraud, idk)

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#1279936 9-Apr-2015 19:04

NonprayingMantis. I notice in most of your posts on this subject you are very pro the media companies and against global mode. Are you in the media industry??

Regards,

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#1279937 9-Apr-2015 19:08

old3eyes: NonprayingMantis. I notice in most of your posts on this subject you are very pro the media companies and against global mode. Are you in the media industry??

you'll probably have also noticed how I constantly mention how I use unblock-us, and I recommend it to people who ask about global mode.

I might appear to be 'pro media companies' because I actually consider both sides of the argument, rather than rabidly defending global mode without actually considering it like many people seem to do. so when people post stuff about how this legal action is 'ridiculous' I will try and post the counter arguments so that it can be seen there are two sides, rather than everybody just piling on in a big circle jerk. if,hypothetically, people had piled on in favour of Sky etc, I would also make sure to post a point about how it seems like global mode could be considered parallel importing.

I'll repost another thing I said in another thread. Should make my position clearer

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=171196

"...which is one of the reasons I am very annoyed that slingshot launched global mode in the first place. Before that, use of smart DNS was more or less under the radar for sky etc. they knew about it, but it wasn't big enough to become worthy of attention.
Those of us smart enough to use the services had a pretty good thing going on. We had illegitimate access to Netflix etc, and nobody really cared enough to do anything about it.

I don't blame sky for what they are doing, it makes sense for them to defend their rights and try and protect their profits, even if I think the business model is flawed.

With slingshot stupidly launching it and making a big fat target of themselves, they have opened up *all* of us to potential problems. If they lose, and sky etc win, it will be slingshot I will blame for making it too big a target to ignore."

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#1279946 9-Apr-2015 19:19

The irony for me is that, from my understanding, the main customers of Colliseum Sports (Premiere League Pass and Golf) are people outside NZ using using geo-unlocking services to gain access. I imagine it was Colliseums goal to buy streaming rights in small country like NZ where the rights are relatively cheap with the intention of having a global audience......although they'd never admit this.

The irony is Lightbox are happy to partner with Colliseum sports for their own gain yet probably don't care if non-NZ customers can access said sports.

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#1279964 9-Apr-2015 19:25

BigMal: The irony for me is that, from my understanding, the main customers of Colliseum Sports (Premiere League Pass and Golf) are people outside NZ using using geo-unlocking services to gain access. I imagine it was Colliseums goal to buy streaming rights in small country like NZ where the rights are relatively cheap with the intention of having a global audience......although they'd never admit this.

The irony is Lightbox are happy to partner with Colliseum sports for their own gain yet probably don't care if non-NZ customers can access said sports.

I've heard this too, but I'd be a little surprised if it was the case.

Given how many people moan about how poor the stream quality of PLP is, imagine how bad it would be to stream an EPL game where the content comes from the UK, all the way to NZ, then all the way back again to the UK. The quality would be abysmal. People would be better off using illegal streams.

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#1279968 9-Apr-2015 19:37

Thanks NonprayingMantis. The perspective you provide is interesting and food for thought.

The only difference I see is that we are not defrauding anyone, we've found an alternative supplier who happens to be cheaper. I don't feel that global mode is any more taking money from anyone than buying a DVD from Amazon by using YouShop (yes that analogy again).

We all have justifications for the actions we take, usually based on expected consequence to self or others. I think they are fighting the wrong battle too late and with the wrong people. I have no issues using globalmode because it means I'm paying for content that I would have....cough ..mumble.. cough... previously, which I'm not exactly proud of.

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