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#1276252 2-Apr-2015 17:02

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People don't buy internet services with the primary focus on breaching content right TOS. I think you will find it hard to prove the ISP's are benefitting from these services. I think customers benefit as they don't have to pay for overseas VPN services.

Heavily marketing it as a feature seems to suggest that the ISPs in question certainly believe it makes a different when choosing your ISP (or choosing to stay with your current ISP). That may or may not be true, but that's clearly why they'd do it.

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#1276255 2-Apr-2015 17:06

Different people have different tastes and I can’t pretend mine are representative, but I do find New Zealand broadcasting overall to be utterly lame and pathetic, worse than anything I have experienced anywhere outside the DDR (which used to consist mainly of talking heads droning on about incomprehensible economic statistics in black and white). There are a few notable exceptions to that rule, but not many. For a time TV7 was on the way to becoming a genuine public television service, but it was axed by useless National hack Craig Foss (even National thinks he is useless). If I want to see any quality broadcasting at all (unfortunately lacking NZ content), I have to go to the BBC or PBS or ABC iview or SBS. Where do I find anything like that here?

I have always found Sky to be a vastly overpriced monopoly provider dedicated to maximum profit for minimum service, technologically backward (expect when protecting its content), endlessly recycling a small number of mostly outdated and not very good films that probably went straight to DVD when they were released, and polluting the rest of its programming with ads upon ads and those godawful incessant promos. The only reason I even have Sky is because I am not the only member of my household.

This is not about piracy or copyright violation or any of that crap. It is entirely and exclusively about monopoly profit protection without having to actually do anything to up their game. New Zealand has suffered far too long from this kind of captive audience exploitation. The content distributors who are now whining about unfair competitive practices had their day and all they did was screw people over. As has been repeatedly pointed out, those using Global Mode and DNS Proxies and VPNs are buying and paying for what they watch. They are just buying it somewhere else because they can’t get it here. This is about choice, not piracy, and attempts to confuse these issues just demonstrate how greedy and mean-spirited the New Zealand media companies are. Payback sucks, doesn’t it?

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#1276256 2-Apr-2015 17:07

Lightbox: Don't really want to get to much into this - it isn't my area of expertise and it's a legal conversation happening business 2 business.

The legal action is strictly directed against ISPs that promote and benefit from copyright being breached (even if they themselves do not do so directly).

Does anyone disagree that the rights have been sold in NZ and that ISPs are gaining a benefit from said rights being breached?

I think that establishing that there has been a "breach of copyright" in first place is shaky ground.

If they provided the right content at the right price via the right medium, those taking legal action would no longer need to do so.

Win by being better than your competitors at providing the service you are offering, not by trying to prevent your competitors from providing their service.

The customer is making it clear to the vendor what it is they want and how they want it - those vendors that are not willing to adapt will ultimately fall by the wayside. Sky and the other major cable companies have been creaming it for years by forcing customers to subscribe to hundreds of channels of dross in order to gain access to a wafer-thin veneer of quality programming, over-charging for the privilege and then having the gall to drill us full of adverts on top.

We are in the era of the cord-cutters and long may it prosper - a shake-up is well overdue.

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#1276257 2-Apr-2015 17:08

Rikkitic: Different people have different tastes and I can’t pretend mine are representative, but I do find New Zealand broadcasting overall to be utterly lame and pathetic, worse than anything I have experienced anywhere outside the DDR (which used to consist mainly of talking heads droning on about incomprehensible economic statistics in black and white). There are a few notable exceptions to that rule, but not many. For a time TV7 was on the way to becoming a genuine public television service, but it was axed by useless National hack Craig Foss (even National thinks he is useless). If I want to see any quality broadcasting at all (unfortunately lacking NZ content), I have to go to the BBC or PBS or ABC iview or SBS. Where do I find anything like that here?

I have always found Sky to be a vastly overpriced monopoly provider dedicated to maximum profit for minimum service, technologically backward (expect when protecting its content), endlessly recycling a small number of mostly outdated and not very good films that probably went straight to DVD when they were released, and polluting the rest of its programming with ads upon ads and those godawful incessant promos. The only reason I even have Sky is because I am not the only member of my household.

This is not about piracy or copyright violation or any of that crap. It is entirely and exclusively about monopoly profit protection without having to actually do anything to up their game. New Zealand has suffered far too long from this kind of captive audience exploitation. The content distributors who are now whining about unfair competitive practices had their day and all they did was screw people over. As has been repeatedly pointed out, those using Global Mode and DNS Proxies and VPNs are buying and paying for what they watch. They are just buying it somewhere else because they can’t get it here. This is about choice, not piracy, and attempts to confuse these issues just demonstrate how greedy and mean-spirited the New Zealand media companies are. Payback sucks, doesn’t it?

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#1276258 2-Apr-2015 17:08

freitasm: I disagree. It is no different than buying a book or DVD on Amazon and having it shipped here.

The companies involved look like greedy corporates. We don't need this crap in New Zealand.

Fair enough. I'd disagree, but I don't either of us happen to be a lawyer with the expertise on how rules for physical media get translated into the digital world. Would you be on the other side of the argument if the application of the physical precedent to digital limited your access rather than facilitated it?

Companies make money (well, the competent ones do). This certainly includes overseas content services and any ISP benefiting from providing access to them. Not sure I follow your argument here?

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#1276259 2-Apr-2015 17:10

Two words: parallel importing.

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#1276261 2-Apr-2015 17:13

Well, anyway.

I'll leave this one for the lawyers. Let me know if you have any specific questions for me.

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#1276262 2-Apr-2015 17:16

I think the GST thing, where people can avoid paying GST on these overseas online services,( even though they are operating in the NZ market), is a far bigger thing. It could bring in heaps of extra tax revenue to fund our schools, hospitals etc.

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#1276264 2-Apr-2015 17:20

freitasm: Two words: parallel importing.

Has the accessing of geoblocked content been tested in court regarding it being parallel importing?

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#1276266 2-Apr-2015 17:30

KiwiNZ:
freitasm: Two words: parallel importing.

Has the accessing of geoblocked content been tested in court regarding it being parallel importing?

It hasn't. Legal opinion that call plus got said that it was like parallel importing, but presumably sky etc have a different legal opinion, or they wouldn't be willing to generate all this extra publicity by taking legal action.

Interesting to see where it ends up. IANALl so I won't pretend to know.

However, if all the extra publicity causes studios to rethink how they require geo locking to be implemented, requiring something like iD checks for all netflix customers, or for them to disallow region switching etc then I am going to be pretty annoyed.

I much prefer it when using unblockus etc was kept under the radar. We had it pretty good. I really hope call plus haven't spoiled it by presenting themselves as an easy target.

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#1276283 2-Apr-2015 17:37

freitasm: I disagree. It is no different than buying a book or DVD on Amazon and having it shipped here.

The companies involved look like greedy corporates. We don't need this crap in New Zealand.

That's a poor analogy, it's not like buying the dvd at all.
The bigger question is if streaming should following the broadcasting rights laws. Remember the business model for a lot of shows is that make money in particular regions. We have a lot of cop shows cuz they sell like crazy in the UK apparently (and are chopped up and mixed with Aus shows). IF I recall correctly Shorters only hung around at the start as it got sold to the UK. I'm not saying it's a good business model but it's how stuff works. NZ TV in particular.

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#1276284 2-Apr-2015 17:40

I would like to see the cases thrown out, however it still wont remove geo-blocking that has to happen off shore. I would have thought Lightbox et al would be better off spending money to lobby the US law makers to change the law there.

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#1276287 2-Apr-2015 17:45

Hopefully the only result of this, is increased competitiveness (rather than monopolising) from the local providers and free advertising for the Callplus group and other providers running global mode.

Do that thing where you entice customers to use your service, rather than force it by being the only option.

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#1276289 2-Apr-2015 17:52

Item: If they provided the right content at the right price via the right medium, those taking legal action would no longer need to do so.

Win by being better than your competitors at providing the service you are offering, not by trying to prevent your competitors from providing their service.

Exactly. I use US services because the content that I want isn't available from NZ services. If it was, then I wouldn't be using US services. I'm sure that many other people feel the same way. Improve the service; don't try to kill off competition.

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#1276293 2-Apr-2015 18:04

muppet: Apparently Orcon don't have a pair.

The timing may be coincidental, but the reasons for this really are what we say they are - because people want to access Netflix NZ, cannot sign up (because they're hitting Netflix US), and are calling us and Netflix support about it ;)

If you want it on, just turn it back on, no problem!

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