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NonprayingMantis
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  #1287800 20-Apr-2015 15:03
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Rikkitic: Can an argument not be made that Bypass is doing nothing that every DNS proxy and VPN in the world is not also doing, and they are being unfairly singled out just because they happen to be an easy target located in New Zealand? The letter of the lawyers claims that their clients are suffering huge losses due exclusively to the activities of Bypass. That implies that if Bypass ceases and desists, the losses will also cease. This is, of course, nonsense. Putting Bypass out of business will not make the slightest bit of difference. The people who don't already use overseas proxies will simply learn how. So how can Bypass be blamed for those losses?
 


pretty much, although arguing it won't make any difference means you believe global mode has had no impact on the amount of people using Netflix US.
If that is the case, and it makes no difference, then it's a worthless product for Callplus to sell so they should just stop selling it anyway.

Also, it's not just the impact of having the product,  it's also the level of marketing it that causes the damages.  i.e. a small DNS proxy based out of the Bahamas that spends $1000/year marketing it's service to kiwis is having a much much smaller impact than the third largest ISP in NZ, who spends millions every year marketing it's services.

they are bieng 'singled' out because
a) the damage they are causing is much much higher
b) it's actually possible to sue them under NZ law.


To create an analogy:

stealing from your employer is illegal.
If you steal a Macbook Pro form your employer, expect them to report it, fire you, and take you to court.
If you steal a pencil, expect them to probably do nothing.

does this mean the macbook thief is being 'unfairly singled out' if his employer takes him to court, but does noting about the pencil theif?





Benoire
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  #1287801 20-Apr-2015 15:03
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I'm not sure how that is double standards, the article suggests there is a service based in the UK that does allows access but Spark have denied (and until proven otherwise) any connection.  I don't know the sign up details for PLP but I'm sure it asks for Kiwi based addresses.  I suspect they will add more enforcement of signing up soon.

Perhaps the SVOD providers should return to a day of evidence based sign ups, no access without proving address etc.

browned
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  #1287808 20-Apr-2015 15:30
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NonprayingMantis: they are bieng 'singled' out because
a) the damage they are causing is much much higher
b) it's actually possible to sue them under NZ law.


How would the damage be quantified?

I know if I used Netflix USA and it was blocked I would not subscribe to Sky to watch the same content. I would more than likely not be interested anymore.

This is just like the Music companies complaining about untold millions in losses as they always assume the people that have listened to their content would have actually paid for it if that was the only option.



natlukros
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  #1287813 20-Apr-2015 15:39
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That is true, something is only worth what people are prepared to pay for it. Skys prices are more than im willing to pay & Id probably not bother watching a lot of tv if I had to pay more than I currently do.

NonprayingMantis
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  #1287816 20-Apr-2015 15:48
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browned:
NonprayingMantis: they are bieng 'singled' out because
a) the damage they are causing is much much higher
b) it's actually possible to sue them under NZ law.


How would the damage be quantified?

I know if I used Netflix USA and it was blocked I would not subscribe to Sky to watch the same content. I would more than likely not be interested anymore.

This is just like the Music companies complaining about untold millions in losses as they always assume the people that have listened to their content would have actually paid for it if that was the only option.

number of people who left sky before global mode vs after?  
the cost of paying for exclusive rights vs non-exclusive rights?

a few different ways to estimate the damage.  nothing's perfect of course, but that doesn't matter when it comes to copyright :)


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  #1287819 20-Apr-2015 15:51
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Benoire
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  #1287821 20-Apr-2015 15:57
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browned: How would the damage be quantified?.


I'm sure they will consider many methods but they may try and get the number of global mode users that actively connected to HBO or Netflix services (assuming that global mode supports HBO) and then establish how much this has cost them and multiply it by the number of users that accessed content for which they where not licensed...

 
 
 

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  #1287858 20-Apr-2015 16:44
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squab: I love how they have these double standards:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/Betteridge



I am going to give myself a pat on the back. Picked it like a dirty nose. 

ajobbins:
browned: How would the damage be quantified?


The rights holders will no doubt come up with a calculation that estimates their damages


LOL. Makes me think of Airheads:

Rex: We're going to take the cops up on those demands they wanted.
Pip: We got a killer list going.
Rex: Yeah, check it out. We ask for airplay and whatever else we want, then we demand a whole bunch of weird stuff. This way we can plead insanity later.
Chazz: Where'd this come from?
Rex: Pip's idea.
Chazz: Way to go, Pip.

$75 trillion and 67 copies of Moby Dick.

sen8or
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  #1287869 20-Apr-2015 17:00
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I dont think even Dr Evil could come up with numbers like that

Lightbox
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  #1287873 20-Apr-2015 17:05
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squab: I love how they have these double standards:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/Betteridge



Just to make this perfectly clear:

We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form.




Lightbox - we are online TV.

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  #1287887 20-Apr-2015 17:25
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On a global scale this is fast becoming a battle of the studios and providers vs the consumer and Netflix...  We can only hope that the court decision is fair and just and not just awarded to the side with the most money spent on lawyers!




Doing your best is much more important than being the best.


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  #1287938 20-Apr-2015 18:07

Lightbox:
squab: I love how they have these double standards:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/Betteridge



Just to make this perfectly clear:

We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form.


OK seems you are trusted.. Otherwise, I would have thought just a troll.

You 'Police geo-dodging'?

There is no requirement, nor should there be, that Internet users should reveal their location!

"cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

Again, we don't have to reveal our location. It's our right!



NonprayingMantis
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  #1287944 20-Apr-2015 18:17
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JWR:
Lightbox:
squab: I love how they have these double standards:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/Betteridge



Just to make this perfectly clear:

We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form.


OK seems you are trusted.. Otherwise, I would have thought just a troll.

You 'Police geo-dodging'?

There is no requirement, nor should there be, that Internet users should reveal their location!

"cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

Again, we don't have to reveal our location. It's our right!




What are you talking about? Did you even read the post lightbox was responding to?

JWR

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  #1287957 20-Apr-2015 18:54

NonprayingMantis:
JWR:
Lightbox:
squab: I love how they have these double standards:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/Betteridge



Just to make this perfectly clear:

We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form.


OK seems you are trusted.. Otherwise, I would have thought just a troll.

You 'Police geo-dodging'?

There is no requirement, nor should there be, that Internet users should reveal their location!

"cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

Again, we don't have to reveal our location. It's our right!




What are you talking about? Did you even read the post lightbox was responding to?


It doesn't matter what post he was responding to.

He said they 'actively police geo-dodging'

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  #1287960 20-Apr-2015 19:00
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Lightbox:
squab: I love how they have these double standards:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/Betteridge



Just to make this perfectly clear:

We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form.


Which is exactly why spark won't be my ISP after my contract period expires. Happy to leave earlier if spark waive penalty fees.

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