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#1287987 20-Apr-2015 19:14

JWR:
NonprayingMantis:
JWR:
Lightbox:
squab: I love how they have these double standards:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/Betteridge

Just to make this perfectly clear:

We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form.

OK seems you are trusted.. Otherwise, I would have thought just a troll.

You 'Police geo-dodging'?

There is no requirement, nor should there be, that Internet users should reveal their location!

"cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

Again, we don't have to reveal our location. It's our right!

What are you talking about? Did you even read the post lightbox was responding to?

It doesn't matter what post he was responding to.

He said they 'actively police geo-dodging'

That's exactly what they are supposed to do. They have a service that is only available to nzers. They haven't bought the rights to show the EPL anywhere else and they need to take reasonable steps to stop people outside NZ from viewing it. Anybody who access that service from outside Nz is going against their terms and conditions.

Are you saying they should ignore people who go against their terms of service?

What about people who refuse to pay? Should they allow those people to stay on too?

JWR

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#1288012 20-Apr-2015 19:40

NonprayingMantis:
JWR:
NonprayingMantis:
JWR:
Lightbox:
squab: I love how they have these double standards:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/Betteridge

Just to make this perfectly clear:

We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form.

OK seems you are trusted.. Otherwise, I would have thought just a troll.

You 'Police geo-dodging'?

There is no requirement, nor should there be, that Internet users should reveal their location!

"cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

Again, we don't have to reveal our location. It's our right!

What are you talking about? Did you even read the post lightbox was responding to?

It doesn't matter what post he was responding to.

He said they 'actively police geo-dodging'

That's exactly what they are supposed to do. They have a service that is only available to nzers. They haven't bought the rights to show the EPL anywhere else and they need to take reasonable steps to stop people outside NZ from viewing it. Anybody who access that service from outside Nz is going against their terms and conditions.

Are you saying they should ignore people who go against their terms of service?

What about people who refuse to pay? Should they allow those people to stay on too?

What about people who don't want to reveal their location?

'Geo-dodging' isn't even a thing IMO.

Who are they to make that definition?

Businesses, like Lightbox, are late to the Internet.

Why should they define how it must be used?

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#1288040 20-Apr-2015 19:58

Lightbox:
squab: I love how they have these double standards:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/Betteridge

Just to make this perfectly clear:

We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form.

This post on Facebook last September by Spark says otherwise.

https://www.facebook.com/spark4nz/posts/846118368741337

To clarify, we don't block VPN services or anything like that. We have no plans to include any function that assists in defeating geoblocking.

Or are you referring to Lightbox/Coliseum PLP only?

And according to this article in is legal to use VPN's anyway

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30014167/a-sidestep-to-overseas-tv-shows

it is legal to use a VPN

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#1288055 20-Apr-2015 20:09

JWR:

What about people who don't want to reveal their location?

'Geo-dodging' isn't even a thing IMO.

Who are they to make that definition?

Businesses, like Lightbox, are late to the Internet.

Why should they define how it must be used?

They can define how people access their services.

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#1288057 20-Apr-2015 20:11

Yeah, my comment was directed at the NBR article and the assertion that Lightbox and Lightbox Sport benefit from overseas access. I represent that part of the business, not the wider Spark group.

Spark as an ISP does not interfere with the way their customers use their connection.

Lightbox - we are online TV.

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#1288058 20-Apr-2015 20:13

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/67879996/TV-companies-go-to-court-over-Global-Mode

Let the battle begin!

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#1288078 20-Apr-2015 20:25

The television companies say the service undermines the value of exclusive New Zealand rights to programming they have paid for.

I think they meant to say "... the service undermines the value of their state-sanctioned monopolies thanks to politicians they have paid for".

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#1288080 20-Apr-2015 20:26

Lightbox: Yeah, my comment was directed at the NBR article and the assertion that Lightbox and Lightbox Sport benefit from overseas access. I represent that part of the business, not the wider Spark group.

Spark as an ISP does not interfere with the way their customers use their connection.

You did say .. "We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

How can you cut off anyone if you don't get ISP info from Spark?

sultanoswing

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#1288084 20-Apr-2015 20:29

JWR:
Lightbox: Yeah, my comment was directed at the NBR article and the assertion that Lightbox and Lightbox Sport benefit from overseas access. I represent that part of the business, not the wider Spark group.

Spark as an ISP does not interfere with the way their customers use their connection.

You did say .. "We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

How can you cut off anyone if you don't get ISP info from Spark?

I can't wait for the (balderdash) John Key defence: "We don't comment on operational matters, but everything we do is lawful"....

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#1288086 20-Apr-2015 20:35

JWR:
Lightbox: Yeah, my comment was directed at the NBR article and the assertion that Lightbox and Lightbox Sport benefit from overseas access. I represent that part of the business, not the wider Spark group.

Spark as an ISP does not interfere with the way their customers use their connection.

You did say .. "We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

How can you cut off anyone if you don't get ISP info from Spark?

This was in place well before Spark took a share in the sports venture (PremierLeaguePass etc.). As evidenced by HBO Now recently, it's absolutely doable (dependent on your setup and the method that's used to circumvent it) without using any ISP information.

Since Sparks customers are all in NZ, I am also not quite sure how that information would enable anyone to stop outsiders accessing a NZ service?

Lightbox - we are online TV.

sultanoswing

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#1288089 20-Apr-2015 20:39

Lightbox:
JWR:
Lightbox: Yeah, my comment was directed at the NBR article and the assertion that Lightbox and Lightbox Sport benefit from overseas access. I represent that part of the business, not the wider Spark group.

Spark as an ISP does not interfere with the way their customers use their connection.

You did say .. "We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

How can you cut off anyone if you don't get ISP info from Spark?

This was in place well before Spark took a share in the sports venture (PremierLeaguePass etc.). As evidenced by HBO Now recently, it's absolutely doable (dependent on your setup and the method that's used to circumvent it) without using any ISP information.

Since Sparks customers are all in NZ, I am also not quite sure how that information would enable anyone to stop outsiders accessing a NZ service?

Yep - and there's already a ready workaround for the HBO Now situation. Let the whack-a-mole continue between those who can be bothered trying to pay in this global internet age (as opposed to those who just pirate) vs the dinos.

JWR

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#1288115 20-Apr-2015 21:35

Lightbox:
JWR:
Lightbox: Yeah, my comment was directed at the NBR article and the assertion that Lightbox and Lightbox Sport benefit from overseas access. I represent that part of the business, not the wider Spark group.

Spark as an ISP does not interfere with the way their customers use their connection.

You did say .. "We actively police geo-dodging, cut off anyone practising it and do not promote or advertise it in any way or form."

How can you cut off anyone if you don't get ISP info from Spark?

This was in place well before Spark took a share in the sports venture (PremierLeaguePass etc.). As evidenced by HBO Now recently, it's absolutely doable (dependent on your setup and the method that's used to circumvent it) without using any ISP information.

Since Sparks customers are all in NZ, I am also not quite sure how that information would enable anyone to stop outsiders accessing a NZ service?

OK. I'll leave it that:)

I don't care how Lightbox checks their customers.

I do have a different view if an ISP is tracking a customer's access to Internet services. In the current legal climate, I don't doubt it does actually happen.

There are serious concerns about ISP companies becoming media companies or vice-versa. Regulation should be a part of that IMO.

I do think, regardless of any legal actions, local re-streamers of overseas content are doomed. Netflix (and the like) will be too powerful.

I think the only successful model would be streaming of local content.

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#1288147 20-Apr-2015 23:05

NonprayingMantis:

the critical thing would be does the EULA prohibit using the software outside a specific region.

If it doesn't, then using it in NZ will be fine.
If it does, then breaching the EULA in that way could be copyright infringement

Nope. If an EULA is enforceable, and shrink-wrapped ones almost certainly aren't, then a breach would merely be a breach of the terms of the EULA and not a breach of copyright. To breach copyright you would have to make an unauthorised copy, not use a legitimate copy inappropriately.

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#1288168 21-Apr-2015 00:46

ajobbins:
browned: How would the damage be quantified?

The rights holders will no doubt come up with a calculation that estimates their damages

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#1288198 21-Apr-2015 07:21

Lightbox: Yeah, my comment was directed at the NBR article and the assertion that Lightbox and Lightbox Sport benefit from overseas access. I represent that part of the business, not the wider Spark group.

Spark as an ISP does not interfere with the way their customers use their connection.

You wouldn't know if someone overseas was accessing it if they set it up correctly. Despite what you say if they pay you will take the money and provide the service. So if Lightbox does it why cant anyone else.

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