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myfullflavour: Don kinda has a point here
myfullflavour: but this needs to be at a major regional POP level, not in some random exchange.
Talkiet: ... You have no real telco level experience ...
myfullflavour: I don't expect the Amazons, Microsofts, Googles and Netflixes to build infrastructure here in the medium term.
DonGould:
http://www.gowifi.co.nz/coming-soon-new-products/mikrotik-sfp-10g-single-mode-10km.html?keyword=sfp+
Less than $2000 you can upgrade fibre from town to town. Is it really worth the investment of a cache in every town? What are these cache's worth?
Ray Taylor
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yitz: Does anyone know whether Vodafone are mandated to deliver RBI wireless using the 'latest technology'? Sort of like how back when Telecom Wholesale argued VDSL2 should have been wholesaled separately but the ComCom determined both ADSL and VDSL were actually part of the UBA STD?
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DonGould:myfullflavour: Don kinda has a point here
Thanks :)myfullflavour: but this needs to be at a major regional POP level, not in some random exchange.Talkiet: ... You have no real telco level experience ...
Neil's right, I don't have enough experience to know the specifics of the answer. I only have a view of where I think we should be heading in concept.
As I see it, there are dozens of reasons why we do need to peer.
These include privacy and security. It doesn't strike me as good that we're concentrating all our communications through single points where our data can be intercepted.
As I said earlier, data should go via the shortest path and not where it doesn't actually need to be going.
But I also get the dynamics of this. From what I can tell, we couldn't do this in the current IPv4 BGP space. The global routing table is already to large for some routers to deal with and the protocols we currently use don't appear to me to support my altruistic view of how things should work.
We also just don't have enough IP space to do this either. I can buy a router for $35 dollars that will do BGP but what's the cost of a /24 to announce on it and then how do I justify 256 addresses on a road side cabinet where I might only have 5 customers?
So I guess we're talking about IPv6 before we're going to get any where close to the sort of peering I was talking about.
I also see that we're going to need some more stepping stones before we get from where we are today to where I think we should be and will eventually get.
sbiddle:DonGould:
You'll also get lots of broadcast traffic with 100 computers in 10 offices on 1 big lan, but with 1Gb dark fibre, like you care.
I can't even begin to contemplate writing a response to this, other than saying my head just exploded.
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raytaylor:yitz: Does anyone know whether Vodafone are mandated to deliver RBI wireless using the 'latest technology'? Sort of like how back when Telecom Wholesale argued VDSL2 should have been wholesaled separately but the ComCom determined both ADSL and VDSL were actually part of the UBA STD?
Vodafone's contract with the government requires each of the RBI sites to be "LTE Ready" by which they define as capable of being upgraded to LTE
DonGould:yitz:DonGould: Everything should be done at layer 3, not layer 2.Dude you should let the Metro Ethernet Forum know about this one...
Sure, ethernet v's ATM, ISDN, Frame or other layer 2 protocols.
Networks in cities designed to connect private lans.
A layer 2 protocol to make business networking so stupidly easy that all you have to do is plug in switch on both sides and connect every computer in 10 buildings together.
DonGould: As I said earlier, data should go via the shortest path and not where it doesn't actually need to be going.
But I also get the dynamics of this. From what I can tell, we couldn't do this in the current IPv4 BGP space. The global routing table is already to large for some routers to deal with and the protocols we currently use don't appear to me to support my altruistic view of how things should work.
We also just don't have enough IP space to do this either. I can buy a router for $35 dollars that will do BGP but what's the cost of a /24 to announce on it and then how do I justify 256 addresses on a road side cabinet where I might only have 5 customers?
DonGould:myfullflavour: I don't expect the Amazons, Microsofts, Googles and Netflixes to build infrastructure here in the medium term.
...and yet they are.
Google and Netflix both have caches in .nz based NOCs, with smaller and smaller ISPs currently looking at getting them too.
I think we're going to see big changes with the new cable to .au comes on line and even bigger ones when we see a cable to south America.
myfullflavour: So this is where your idea veers completely off course. Peering is never going to happen at a cabinet level, let alone a minor exchange level.
With UFB, most locations only have one exchange the traffic terminates in and in some of the larger areas you can argue the case for local peering.
myfullflavour: Caches don't count. The point is NZ is likely to remain reliant on Sydney for a very long time to come.
myfullflavour: Your comment about a South American cable is exactly why some others earlier in this thread have stopped engaging with you.
50n0f508: Just to bring things back to the forum's subject. I am on Vodafone cable and was happily enjoying 100/10 (with the occasional slowdown) until Netflilx came along. Since then during peak hours my speed fluctuates wildly between 20mbps to 60mbps and ping is just as volatile. Netflix performance in particular has suffered; even with +50mbps I cannot get Netflix to display 1080p on PS3, the quality jumps all over the place. Before the NZ launch of Netflix I could easily watch full HD on two devices while downloading several gigs of music/video no problem. Basically now HD Netflix is only useable when it's time for bed. I hope people leave Netflix in droves once the free trial is over.
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