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#1330709 24-Jun-2015 13:46

wsnz:
mattwnz: I would have liked this to have gone to court, then we can find out if such a service is illegal or not. Sounds like no one wants that either way though.

Unfortunatley, the ultimate winners in such a court case would be the lawyers.

That is true, but a decision I believe does become common law. But the risk of it going to court is quite high risk for the media companies too, because if it is deemed legal by the courts then the floodgates my open for such services. If it is deemed illegal, then probably not much will change and we would be in the same situation as we are now. That is why it is so disappointing as we still don't know either way.

NonprayingMantis

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#1330712 24-Jun-2015 13:48

mattwnz:
wsnz:
mattwnz: I would have liked this to have gone to court, then we can find out if such a service is illegal or not. Sounds like no one wants that either way though.

Unfortunatley, the ultimate winners in such a court case would be the lawyers.

That is true, but a decision I believe does become common law. But the risk of it going to court is quite high risk for the media companies too, because if it is deemed legal by the courts then the floodgates my open for such services. If it is deemed illegal, then probably not much will change and we would be in the same situation as we are now.

the floodgates were already open. Callplus were heavily advertising the feature, it had massive publicity in the mainstream media.

Almost every ISP that wasn't Spark or Vodafone was giving it away for free.

the floodgates couldn't be much more open already.

Yabanize

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#1330720 24-Jun-2015 14:12

Could the likes of Unotelly target ads at Orcon and Slingshot customers, perhaps with a special deal haha

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#1330746 24-Jun-2015 14:42

NonprayingMantis:
mattwnz:
wsnz:
mattwnz: I would have liked this to have gone to court, then we can find out if such a service is illegal or not. Sounds like no one wants that either way though.

Unfortunatley, the ultimate winners in such a court case would be the lawyers.

That is true, but a decision I believe does become common law. But the risk of it going to court is quite high risk for the media companies too, because if it is deemed legal by the courts then the floodgates my open for such services. If it is deemed illegal, then probably not much will change and we would be in the same situation as we are now.

the floodgates were already open. Callplus were heavily advertising the feature, it had massive publicity in the mainstream media.

Almost every ISP that wasn't Spark or Vodafone was giving it away for free.

the floodgates couldn't be much more open already.

But those floodgates for this global mode services being offered by NZ ISPs have closed up again, I mean are there any now offering it? The thing is that there still isn't a determination as to the services legality, and without a court case, consumers don't know.

miked

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#1330844 24-Jun-2015 16:45

Email I just received from Slingshot:

Hi there,

We have some sad news – we are turning off Global Mode from 1 September this year.

As you probably know, Sky, Lightbox (Spark), TVNZ, and Mediaworks launched legal action against the Global Mode service earlier this year. We have reached a settlement of that action and the official press statement is below.

“CallPlus (including Slingshot, Orcon and Flip) and Bypass Network Services today announced the Global Mode service will be withdrawn in New Zealand on 1 September 2015. The removal of Global Mode forms part of a settlement which sees Sky, TVNZ, Lightbox and MediaWorks drop the legal action against CallPlus and Bypass Network Services. Further details of the settlement are confidential and will be the subject of a formal Court order. As a term of settlement, the parties have agreed that they will not provide additional information about this matter”

But, to matters closer to home - what does this mean for you? In a nutshell we’ll be turning off Global Mode on 1 September. If the only reason you are with us is Global Mode and you want to leave, then we'll happily let you break your contract with no penalties. Just call us in August and have a chat. But we think there are loads of great reasons to stay with us and we hope you hang around!

In the meantime, we'll continue to focus on delivering great broadband and launching other new products - it is just what we do.

Thanks, the team at Slingshot.

(Apologies if someone else already posted this, I couldn't see a copy in the last few pages).

jmh

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#1330924 24-Jun-2015 18:37

Hmmm... I wonder what the other new products are. A new tv vpn service perhaps?

miked: Email I just received from Slingshot:

Hi there,

We have some sad news – we are turning off Global Mode from 1 September this year.

As you probably know, Sky, Lightbox (Spark), TVNZ, and Mediaworks launched legal action against the Global Mode service earlier this year. We have reached a settlement of that action and the official press statement is below.

“CallPlus (including Slingshot, Orcon and Flip) and Bypass Network Services today announced the Global Mode service will be withdrawn in New Zealand on 1 September 2015. The removal of Global Mode forms part of a settlement which sees Sky, TVNZ, Lightbox and MediaWorks drop the legal action against CallPlus and Bypass Network Services. Further details of the settlement are confidential and will be the subject of a formal Court order. As a term of settlement, the parties have agreed that they will not provide additional information about this matter”

But, to matters closer to home - what does this mean for you? In a nutshell we’ll be turning off Global Mode on 1 September. If the only reason you are with us is Global Mode and you want to leave, then we'll happily let you break your contract with no penalties. Just call us in August and have a chat. But we think there are loads of great reasons to stay with us and we hope you hang around!

In the meantime, we'll continue to focus on delivering great broadband and launching other new products - it is just what we do.

Thanks, the team at Slingshot.

(Apologies if someone else already posted this, I couldn't see a copy in the last few pages).

natlukros

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#1331116 25-Jun-2015 08:14

Yabanize: Orcon have said they will allow people to break their contracts if global mode was the main reason they signed up

Im outta there asap, thats one positive for me. Absolutely over dealing with that overseas based callcentre, Ive been very frustrated with them lately.

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#1331221 25-Jun-2015 10:43

I was talking to a good friend of mine this morning who like me is a Brit. He spends 6 months of the year here in NZ and the other 6 months between the US and UK. He owns an apartment in London and has a TV licence (which is compulsory). Like me he uses a dns service, but made the comment ....... "The fundamental issue with the NZ media providers is that they consider him to be breaking the law when trying to access overseas media content that not only he is obliged to pay for through his compulsory licence, but is entitled to watch".

Interesting and reasonable point of view.

NonprayingMantis

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#1331229 25-Jun-2015 10:54

DaveB: I was talking to a good friend of mine this morning who like me is a Brit. He spends 6 months of the year here in NZ and the other 6 months between the US and UK. He owns an apartment in London and has a TV licence (which is compulsory). Like me he uses a dns service, but made the comment ....... "The fundamental issue with the NZ media providers is that they consider him to be breaking the law when trying to access overseas media content that not only he is obliged to pay for through his compulsory licence, but is entitled to watch".

Interesting and reasonable point of view.

Actually it's a view that is based on incorrect information.

1) the NZ media companies have not taken any legal action against people like him. I;'m not even sure if they have made statements saying he is breaking the law.

the lawsuit was ONLY against the ISPs and Bypass networks that provided the specific global mode technology.

they haven't done anything about other DNS services, and they also haven't done anything about individual customers using DNS services.

In fact Spark (one of the companies in the lawsuit) has even taken steps in the past to fix problems when Netflix US made some changes that stopped those services working on Spark's network.
Spark have also made some clear statements to the effect that what individuals choose to do with their broadband is up to them.

2) the terms of use for BBC iplayer (and every other service that is geoblocked) state that it should not be accessed from overseas. The fact that he pays a TV licence is totally irrelevant to that. (apart from anything else, BBC iPlayer doesn't even need a licence to watch the ondemand stuff, only if you watch stuff live)

so really, your friend is actually NOT entitled to watch BBC iPlayer or other services whilst he is in NZ, even though he has paid his TV licence for the UK.

evilengineer

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#1331285 25-Jun-2015 11:50

2) the terms of use for BBC iplayer (and every other service that is geoblocked) state that it should not be accessed from overseas. The fact that he pays a TV licence is totally irrelevant to that. (apart from anything else, BBC iPlayer doesn't even need a licence to watch the ondemand stuff, only if you watch stuff live)

so really, your friend is actually NOT entitled to watch BBC iPlayer or other services whilst he is in NZ, even though he has paid his TV licence for the UK.

Personally, I would be more than happy to give the BBC $300 a year for full and unfettered access to their content (understand that it wouldn't apply to third party programming shown on the BBC in the UK and probably sport). If only they would take my money! :-)

NonprayingMantis

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#1331292 25-Jun-2015 12:03

evilengineer:
2) the terms of use for BBC iplayer (and every other service that is geoblocked) state that it should not be accessed from overseas. The fact that he pays a TV licence is totally irrelevant to that. (apart from anything else, BBC iPlayer doesn't even need a licence to watch the ondemand stuff, only if you watch stuff live)

so really, your friend is actually NOT entitled to watch BBC iPlayer or other services whilst he is in NZ, even though he has paid his TV licence for the UK.

Personally, I would be more than happy to give the BBC $300 a year for full and unfettered access to their content (understand that it wouldn't apply to third party programming shown on the BBC in the UK and probably sport). If only they would take my money! :-)

they would rather take the millions of dollars that Sky, TVNZ, Mediaworks, Lightbox etc etc pay them every year than mess around trying to sell direct to Kiwis for dribs and drabs of money.

they tried doing BBCiplayer in Australia and other countries (they had it for quite a few years) but are going to close it down. Probably for the exact reason I stated - they get a better return from selling via a third party (Foxtel)

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/05/bbc-is-closing-its-global-iplayer/

natlukros

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#1332185 26-Jun-2015 15:32

Well I rang orcon today as ive been havig a multitude of negative issues with them following a recent move of house, theyve let me out of the 12 month contract.

Yabanize

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#1332302 26-Jun-2015 18:35

This statement by Orcon is no longer true. (It's still their cover photo on Facebook)

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#1332304 26-Jun-2015 18:37

Would anyone be interested in taking out a big ad in a national newspaper, headline something like "Shame on Sky", followed by an explanation of Global Mode and instructions on how to acquire a proxy to replace Global Mode and a list of some providers like DNS4ME and Unotelly? Since the court case was dropped, there should not be anything illegal about telling others how to do it. It would be a nice way of lodging a protest and putting Sky and the others on notice. Maybe the parties to the case cannot discuss it, but that does not prevent anyone else from doing so. If enough people contribute, the ad should not be too costly. What do the rest of you think?

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#1332491 27-Jun-2015 00:50

NonprayingMantis:

....they haven't done anything about other DNS services, and they also haven't done anything about individual customers using DNS services.

Shame. I'd like to see them try. You make it sound like they're not doing so out of the goodness of their hearts as opposed to the fact they a) technically couldn't and; b) the stink it would provoke would make the recent action smell like spring daffodils by comparison.

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