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#2181233 16-Feb-2019 13:10

This currently happens in the US - so not unlikely, but hopefully not :)

It also happens in Australia. Seven black out (and by black out, I mean show endless reruns of Border Security) all domestic cricket and AFL as the do not have online rights (owned by Foxtel and Telstra respectively). Nine also had an NRL blackout until last year. It will all depend on the terms of the agreement between Spark, TVNZ and the RWC rights holder.

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#2182145 18-Feb-2019 17:28

I seem to recall some earlier talk in the thread about the delay in going over the Internet vs broadcast via satellite etc. I’ve been watching a bit of sport on Kayo (Australian streaming service by Foxtel) and the delay is less than 20 seconds to sky tv, absolutely blew me away. Also compared with a friend and it was ahead of skygo. If spark are aiming for a delay this small it would be amazing. The previous lowest delay I’d seen was with nhl.tv which was around 40 seconds which I thought was bloody good, but Kayo is a step ahead with gorgeous quality too. Spark should definitely be taking a look at it.

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#2182155 18-Feb-2019 18:19

JarrodM: I seem to recall some earlier talk in the thread about the delay in going over the Internet vs broadcast via satellite etc. I’ve been watching a bit of sport on Kayo (Australian streaming service by Foxtel) and the delay is less than 20 seconds to sky tv, absolutely blew me away. Also compared with a friend and it was ahead of skygo. If spark are aiming for a delay this small it would be amazing. The previous lowest delay I’d seen was with nhl.tv which was around 40 seconds which I thought was bloody good, but Kayo is a step ahead with gorgeous quality too. Spark should definitely be taking a look at it.

Spark has already chosen its platform provider (istreamplanet) and would be unlikely to switch to Foxtels proprietary solution at such a stage. Kayosport might get the RWC as Foxtel is still one of the bidders for the Australian rights. Nobody wants to buy the rights to the RWC given the dwindling rugby audience. Nine and Seven have already declined. It looks like Ten, Foxtel or Optus are the possible RWC bidders. Where or where or where are the Amazons, Facebooks and Yahoo's to bid for the rights.....

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#2182156 18-Feb-2019 18:28

The Spark presentation at nznog indicated around 30sec for the RWC, bearing in mind the delay from Japan to TVNZ Akl then pushed to Istream planet in the US, multi speed streamed out into Akamai US then local Akamai servers, then out to the user.

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#2182204 18-Feb-2019 19:09

If its live streamed, and it takes 30 seconds or whatever, what if they or me has a glitch? Be nice to set a buffer to allow for that.

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#2183234 18-Feb-2019 20:35

tdgeek:

If its live streamed, and it takes 30 seconds or whatever, what if they or me has a glitch? Be nice to set a buffer to allow for that.

don't bring logic like that into it td! it must be instant! just like it is when it's off sky tv! (dont try to tell me that's delayed it's so not!)

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#2183293 18-Feb-2019 21:56

I suggest a toggle interleaving button.

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#2183430 19-Feb-2019 09:27

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=12204320

I don't quite follow the below

Making the issue more complicated is the fact that many All Blacks fans in New Zealand are going to have to get to grips with the technology involved in connecting to wifi in order to watch every All Black game live. In some cases they will have to update their televisions.

The first part I don't get as apparently.... streaming is everywhere, its todays tech, Sky is gone, and so on....

The second part, are there still a few people with CRT TV's still? Who has to upgrade their TV?

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#2183471 19-Feb-2019 10:18

tdgeek:

The first part I don't get as apparently.... streaming is everywhere, its todays tech, Sky is gone, and so on....

The second part, are there still a few people with CRT TV's still? Who has to upgrade their TV?

Just over a third of households in New Zealand have a smart tv or ATV/Chromecast device. That's two in three people that will need to do something if they want to watch the RWC on their big screen. And of course, there are those that don't have a reliable Internet connection or data caps that is going to be in an issue.

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#2183477 19-Feb-2019 10:27

stinger:

tdgeek:

The first part I don't get as apparently.... streaming is everywhere, its todays tech, Sky is gone, and so on....

The second part, are there still a few people with CRT TV's still? Who has to upgrade their TV?

Just over a third of households in New Zealand have a smart tv or ATV/Chromecast device. That's two in three people that will need to do something if they want to watch the RWC on their big screen. And of course, there are those that don't have a reliable Internet connection or data caps that is going to be in an issue.

It talked about having to sort out wifi. How many homes have wifi? How many of those use wifi, for at least a smartphone. Yes, certainly some will need to bone up on a CC. So, exclude every home that has a smart TV or a tablet, or PC/laptop using wifi. The homes that do not use the wifi or just have a smartphone on wifi is the problem ones, not the wifi ones.

What about some need to upgrade their TV? Only if they have a CRT using a Freeview decoder AFAIK. I assume all old flat screens have HDMI

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#2183478 19-Feb-2019 10:29

stinger:

tdgeek:

The first part I don't get as apparently.... streaming is everywhere, its todays tech, Sky is gone, and so on....

The second part, are there still a few people with CRT TV's still? Who has to upgrade their TV?

Just over a third of households in New Zealand have a smart tv or ATV/Chromecast device. That's two in three people that will need to do something if they want to watch the RWC on their big screen. And of course, there are those that don't have a reliable Internet connection or data caps that is going to be in an issue.

Not everyone has a smart TV\WiFi capable TV. I didn't until about 3-4 months ago. I know my in-laws don't have a WiFi capable TV, as It's the one I was using prior to upgrading. The old TV doesn't even have a USB port.

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#2183492 19-Feb-2019 10:35

WyleECoyoteNZ:

stinger:

tdgeek:

The first part I don't get as apparently.... streaming is everywhere, its todays tech, Sky is gone, and so on....

The second part, are there still a few people with CRT TV's still? Who has to upgrade their TV?

Just over a third of households in New Zealand have a smart tv or ATV/Chromecast device. That's two in three people that will need to do something if they want to watch the RWC on their big screen. And of course, there are those that don't have a reliable Internet connection or data caps that is going to be in an issue.

Not everyone has a smart TV\WiFi capable TV. I didn't until about 3-4 months ago. I know my in-laws don't have a WiFi capable TV, as It's the one I was using prior to upgrading. The old TV doesn't even have a USB port.

My two awesome Panasonic plasmas are not Smart TV's, they dont have wifi, but they do have HDMI. Chromecast connects to that, sorted

With your TV you were unable to watch Netflix or any other VOD on it?

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#2183495 19-Feb-2019 10:40

Having Wifi isnt the same as having good WiFi. The nature of what most people consume in non GZ households, is that patchy WiFi may not be that noticable in day to day consumption, but would somewhat more likely be obvious over a sustained period of usage.

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#2183504 19-Feb-2019 10:46

Yep, flaky wifi, poor dsl connections (ie no or incorrectly installed filtering) is going to be the potential failing of this exercise.

At least with Sky, they control the quality of the box, signal reception and reticulation to ensure good if not faultless performance, not so with streaming, the ISP posts out a modem and hopes for the best.

Users who would have been using services like Netflix would have already had to deal with improving in home reticulation, but a vast majority that just facebook and email will have not.

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#2183505 19-Feb-2019 10:51

cyril7:

Yep, flaky wifi, poor dsl connections (ie no or incorrectly installed filtering) is going to be the potential failing of this exercise.

At least with Sky, they control the quality of the box, signal reception and reticulation to ensure good if not faultless performance, not so with streaming, the ISP posts out a modem and hopes for the best.

Users who would have been using services like Netflix would have already had to deal with improving in home reticulation, but a vast majority that just facebook and email will have not.

Cyril

This is the exact point I was trying to make. Sky control pretty much the solution end to end. Add Internet/Wireless and other factors beyond their control, and you change the picture significantly. I am not saying RWC shouldn't have been done by Spark, SVOD is a good thing, however, I forsee people having subpar experiences which will be nothing to do with Spark, but that will still be blamed on Spark, and still mean they had a subpar experience, and on top of that it gives Spark an out, where pretty much anyone who complains could be fobbed off as "Internet or Wireless issues at the customers end".

To be clear, I am going to subscribe to this service, I think there are many upsides of it, however, I'd like to see a proven broadcaster, over a different medium, be it TVNZ or Sky, have all matches, so that I have a second option if things go badly.

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